

Roma – Milan Preview
By: Gianfranco | January 9th, 2009If you want a proper Roman preview you have come to the wrong place, try one of the many romacentric sites here at the Offside.com like here, here, and even here. But if you want to share a laugh and start 09 off with a bit of banter then you have come to the right place.
It seems that I have aged beyond my years of twenty five, a word I so wholeheartedly knew and loved has changed meanings right before my own two eyes. It appears that the word Bullshit can know mean something good!? I couldn’t believe it either, but alas I want to dispel that notion and provide a proper definition:
bull•shit n.
1. Foolish, deceitful, or boastful language.
2. Something worthless, deceptive, or insincere.
3. Insolent talk or behavior.
It is odd that the Roman legion would find a way to redefine a word that so easily defines their team and fan behavior. As we all know I do not hold the club in the highest of regard, their constant complaints to help ease their early season troubles were exactly as stated in number 3 and 1, and their claims at the title while Milan floundered with point deductions and CL titles is nothing short of deceptive, but it appears they found a way back to mediocrity which is how I have always viewed them in the first place. Some people even call them the Arsenal of the Serie A, sure they can play some quality calcio at times, but when the chips are down they will always find a way out of the title race, mostly out of their own devices.
Ok, enough is enough, and I won’t poke anymore fun, after all there is a game to be discussed, and an important one at that. We have before us two coaches to stubborn for their own good pushing their formations through thick and thin, and two teams seemingly more capable than their point totals would show, so it seems. A win for Milan keeps them close to the top, while a win for Roma begins the long and hard climb out of the early season hole and 11th place.
Roster wise the game looses a bit of luster with Gattuso out with injury, many have claimed DDR to be the newer more efficient version of Rino, and many were even ready to bestow serious honors on the Roma midfielder. I on the other hand gave credit where it is due, but have yet to see DDR have the impact that Rino has when he is on pace and in form, he will be missed, but hopefully we can make the loss easier with some of the new weapons on the bench.
The proposed lineups are as follows:
Roma (probable): Doni; Cassetti, Mexes, Juan, Riise; Taddei, De Rossi, Brighi, Perrotta, Menez; Vucinic
Milan (probable): Abbiati; Zambrotta, Kaladze, Maldini, Jankulovski; Seedorf, Pirlo, Flamini, Kaka; Ronaldinho, Pato
For Milan, I would hope for a bit of change. The front and back is fine by me, but the midfield may be better suited with Flamini or Ambro to the left of Pirlo and the inclusion of David Beckham at the start. Call me crazy, but when a player debuts for Milan magic happens, and Becks may be no different. If he is fit, give him a chance and we may see a performance like the debuts of Pato, Fat Ron, and even Dinho. Seedorf is all well and good, but to combat the four man Roman attack it is best if Ambrosini or Flamini are there to mop up play in and around Pirlo and to keep Roma’s upcoming Brighi off the ball. For as much as DDR has been touted, Brighi is the player that has intrigued most. Aquilani is a sharp wind away from another injury, while Brighi has shown a desire, grit, and even some ability in front of the net. Easily, a threat to be considered and further more a player to watch should Roma decide to keep Aquilani and part ways with Brighi.
On the attack Milan will have the Brazilian trident, making the work of Janks and Zambro less offensive minded which is OK by me. If those three can find a rhythm akin to the Udinese match and find the net early, Roma, who has difficulty playing when losing. But lets not forget if the past has taught us anything when these two teams take the pitch all bets are off. Specifically last season’s Vucinic show that cost Milan a very valuable three points and a shot at fourth place. With Totti on the injury report yet again, keeping Vucinic quiet is a job for the real Il Capitano, and though we all wonder when he will show his age, his performances are still better than most of his teammates on defense. With him marked, it will be up to Janks and Zambro to guard the flanks and keep Menez and Taddei off the deep runs and force them to work for the ball closer to the midfield line.
It is a crying shame that we will not get to see Loria in action, easily any Roman opponent’s best player, but the Roman defense has been almost as suspect, if not more so, than Milan and I can’t stress enough how important an early lead may be. If Carletto plays his cards rights, he can sub Becks with a lead and pack the midfield making an already midfield dominated match into a possession battle that favors Milan in the long run. A win is what we all want here and what we can hope for, I just hope the Rossoneri can deliver, a bit of revenge for letting Inter win the scudetto, and a bit more for last season’s loss.
FORZA MILAN!
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shingai, to answer your [devils advocate] question simply; no, i would not be satisfied if milan were honorable also rans.
but at the same time, i still believe our usual policy of grooming half-stars into potential world-beaters is the best principled one.
my whole idea stems from the fact that we are not a selling club. the last person we made huge money from was shevchenko, and his was such a unique case that it is hard to describe it as milans philosophy.
rui costa, let off for free. simic went for peanuts. vogel was worth nothing in the oliveira deal. theres quite a few players who have quietly left our gates with great dignity and honor without the club kicking them out the back door. the club has always been respectful to its players. and what defines that respect the best is the loyalty. we’ve never sold a player for the money. and we never “overmarketed” ourselves.
similar to barcelona who had a north american tour right after the world cup in ‘06. no break for the international players in their squad! but the tour made them money alright!
small shit like that is what irks me. when the club puts financial interests above all else and sacrificing the principles for what the club is based on; that shit ain’t balla to me.
i was ok with beckham coming. but then i saw his horrible debut vs. HSV, and then the whole baggage that comes with him (media, a plastic woman et al.), and it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. what the hell is going on. when did the club prioritized getting the wife of a player the top suite at the hotel? they should’ve had the dignity to say ‘No, we employ you, [the player], what your wife/girlfriend does is her business not ours.’ but the fact that we made it our business… its not our business, we should have more important things to worry about.
the fact that carlo has no balls doesnt help either…
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in sum, we don’t need to be buying attention. if we focus on trophies and the glories that come with it, attention will be a minor detail.
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Gianfranco, tnx for the preview!
I do not find anything offensive. You are just saying the truth abt Roma in a sarcastic way. As long as I find humor in it, love it!
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As a fan of football, rather than of a specific team, I enjoy making the rounds on the offside and observing. But in this instance I have to take a side and say something in defense of Roma.
Tragically in todays sporting world the fair-weathered fan is all to common and for this reason I find it easy to leap to the defense of a side like Roma when being shat on by a club like Milan.
Listen, I would always prefer Milan to win the scudetto over the likes of Juve and Inter but you can’t make villains out of Roma supporters when you guys are the f*cking New York Yankees of Serie A along with the aforementioned Juve and Inter.
I understand its a part of European football that powerhouses dominate leagues but that is the fundamental flaw with European football, regardless that argument is for a different time.
It is a welcome site to see a club like Roma challenge for the title in lieu of the status quo. Granted that challenge came about because some other bigger teams that we won’t mention cheated and subsequently were forced to serve a deserved punishment, but that should not diminish Roma’s accomplishments.
Furthermore, unless you’re blind anyone can see that Inter benefitted from a TON of dodgy calls last season enabling them to hold onto the title. Would it really have been so bad to see a side like Roma win instead of Inter, who already have Scrooge MacDuck’s bank account and half the Argentinian national team… + a crazy giant swede that scores more bat sh*t crazy goals than Fab Quags? Did they really need the refs help to rub it in?
I’m sorry but in this instance if a Roma fan bitches about bad luck incessantly then in my opinion you either agree or leave it alone, either way they are justified. They had an excellent chance to win a fourth scudetto; its something far more meaningful for them than it is for a side that is supposed to challenge for the title every year. Who knows the next time Roma will come so close to clinching the league? I would bitch as well if I were them.
But the real crime here is while many of you most likely have a true claim to support Milan, like you live there or have familial ties to the city or the team, a fair number do not and are simply glory seekers latching on to a European powerhouse. It is you loathsome fans that I am addressing. For you to badmouth any team, in this case Roma and its supporters, who have far less to cheer about than the team that you have arbitrarily latched onto to compensate for God knows what, is just pathetic and to you I say re-evaluate your life and try to establish a raison d’etre beyond parasitic glory seeking. I imagine fans that properly cheer for Milan might have the wherewithal to understand the circumstances at hand and recognize that Roma, unlike the fans I just mentioned, are not the root of all calcio evil. Also, kaka being your favorite player is not a valid reason for you being a Milanista when you’ve never been to the city, let alone Italy. Stop your bitching and recognize that it is a joke that Milan are in the UEFA cup considering your resources. This is not Roma’s fault. Now go enjoy your cash reserves and leave sides that deserve a little luck for a change alone.
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hey, im trying to become a blogger here in the offside but i’m not sure what is the email I have to send it to. The website tells me to put this: daryl[at]theoffside.com, but it doesn’t work, the msn does not accept it. If any of you knows it please tell me, i would really appreciate it
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Like I said, I’m impartial. I am a fan of Calcio and am likely to root for the underdog. And for Hana… people can pick and choose whatever team they like, know all the facts about the team, all the songs, the cheers, go to every game. The point I am making is that many of those fans do this based on nothing else but statistics… and by that I mean who is typically near the top. Juve has the largest fan base in Italy, and yet four years ago they had to give tickets away to champions league games to fill the Alpi… that doesn’t sound to me like those supporters gave a &%$^. You can bleed whatever colors you want but why did you choose Milan? Because of some tie to the team? Or was it because you liked the jersey? Or a specific player? In a lot of cases it is because they are/were winning major honors. I am not saying that is always the case but it certainly exists at a level beyond what I wish was the case. Roma, meanwhile, gets one true chance at glory every ten to twenty years… granted they have a had a few second place finishes recently but I’m pretty sure that means dick to most. Like I said, if they want to bitch over last season and it carries over to this season, I say fine… let them bitch. In my mind at least they have a reason to feel sad that their team lost a priceless opportunity… something that big teams will never feel because there’s always next year for them. Which is why bashing Roma coming from Milan fans is proper BULLSHIT. They haven[t chosen the best team so they always get to witness wins. They picked a team based on other factors and that is truly respectable. Roma overachieved for a season. They don’t get to go buy every big name out there now. They get to hope lightning strikes twice. It hasn’t.
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… and sorry for the double post.
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Don’t use the small team small budget excuse. If you want to go into baseball terms, when was the last time the Yankees won the world series? hell, when was the last time they even got there? The Phillies – the defending champs – have half the spending power of the Yanks, while the Cardinals who won last year also have half the spending power. The Atlanta Braves, who dominated the league in the 90’s, also have a payroll that is a fraction of that of the Yankees (around 70% when they were good, about 50% now).
Point is, a midsized club cannot use lack of spending power as an excuse for being unable to come through in the clutch. Even in football – Porto won the Champions League, Sevilla won the UEFA Cup two years running. Before Vieira left for Juve, Arsenal were good enough to go unbeaten in the Premier League, Kaiserslautern won the Bundesliga the year they were promoted to the Bundesliga (or was it the year after?) back in 1998. Man Utd was not the big club it was today when it won the Champions League in 99. History is full of clubs of Roma’s relative size and position that have won championships and slain Goliath.
Face it; your hero, your capitain, your Roman Golden Boy Totti is a supremely talented player who has nerves of sand and knees of rubber. In the big games I’ve watched him play for both Italy and Roma, he has been completely anonymous. If it weren’t for the penalty he scored against Australia in 06, I would have forgotten that he wasn’t even in the Italian side.
Compare Gerrard to Totti – both are localboy hero captains of their clubs (and relatively mediocre for their countries). The difference b/w the two is determination to win. Gerrard has it, Totti does not. How many cups has Liverpool won because of a galvanizing performance from Gerrard? How about Roma with Totti? Compared to Chelsea and Man Utd, Liverpool is a small club, yet their trophy count is comparable to Man Utds.
Face it, Roma are what they are because of the personality of their captain. And their captain is a man who gets by on his talent. That is the root of Roma’s lack of success.
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o reilly how many roma fans are fans because of the recent scudetto, why dont you ask the proper pressing questions before crying bullshit. Your arguement is unsound, and claims that any fan of a te.am with silerware has those fans because of that silverware while fans of clubs with no silverware have true fans!? Makes no sense really, I would buy it if you said they like Milan because of the sweet red and black colors, but your not giving enough leeway for the nature of sports. As I said earlier being a Roma is not hard, dont pity them, pity Lecce fans, Livorno fans, sampdoria fans, torino fans…those fans have it tough, Roma makes it tought on themselves and then they have the audacity to CONSTANTLY cry about it…
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Believe me, choosing to become a Milanista a little before Calciopoli was unfolding, followed by the -8 point deduction, and after one of the greatest strikers Milan has ever had left to go kill his career in London…there was no “glory” in my decision to support Milan. Sure, they were/are still one of the best and biggest clubs in the world, but even you’d have to admit as an “impartial calcio fan” that this sure as hell wasn’t a high point during Milan’s existence. It was my love for Kaka’ as a player that originally drew me in, to be honest. Silverware just wasn’t the reason I chose to support Milan, plain and simple. Whether you believe me or not is your decision, but regardless, I know I’m a true Milan supporter through and through and that I support my team for the right reasons.
Thus, I don’t buy your argument that it’s more “noble” somehow to support a not-so-big club and that their “suffering” is somehow admirable. As long you were drawn into a club/support them for the right reasons, whether they be big, small, rich or poor, I think that’s all that matters in the end. And as Gian points out, there’s no way of knowing how many fans that Roma now have is because of their 2001 scudetto…it wasn’t a terribly long time ago, was it?
Cheers. I’ve only half been watching the second half of Chelsea/ManU since I was responding to this, so back I go.
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poor chelsea…
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Yeah, that was a terribly disappointing display for them, wasn’t it? And I though our defense was dodgy…
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cheers shingai,very well spoken!!
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Gianfrancos problem is that he gets schooled repeatedly by Roma supporters here and his ‘wit’ barely allows him to fight his way out of a wet paper bag, let alone respond to them with any so-called “edge”. Brutal write up as usual but that is expected when you’re blinded by the e-rage that this clown is. To the other sane and more thoughtful milanisti particularly shehan,good luck and hope we witness a cracker of a game like I anticipate.
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thanks marco, I appreciate the kind words and well wishes.
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Chelsea didn’t look like they cared. And if I hadn’t known anything about those two teams, I would have thought it was a Spanish or Italian league game – the pace was incredibly slow for the EPL
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Shingai, did you really just compare baseball and calcio as similar sports? Id be happy to debate that with you any day. And frankly my point was not to discuss the yankees recent sucktitude but rather just to call out that those who root for them are the lamest type of fan if they do not live in Manhattan, the Bronx, staten island or even queens, which is technically mets territory. There are other circumstances that make it acceptable (babe ruth’s grandson etc) but really othewise you’re just pulling for the favorite at the end of the day. My argument stems more from milanistas complaining about roma fans. This has nothing to do with you lot as a whole and your decision to cheer on Milan. Its that if you’re going to bitch about roma supporters, then slow your role. Shingai, liverpool and roma DO NOT have the same resources. If you really think that, you are retarded. Sorry to resort to calling you names buy its that simple. Their champions league triumph is one of the great stories of sport and your revenge, Hana, which occured post calciopoli, was just as dramatic due to the history. No my point remains that you lot have little to attack roma supporters about. Of course I have to remind you AGAIN that I am NOT a roma supporter but that shouldn’t really make much difference. True roma fans don’t have it bad vis-a-vis lecce but they’re not shitting on lecce. Gianfranco, you think a third scudetto in 2001 is the reason roma has a sizeable fanbase? How long have you lived outside of reality? All I have been trying to get accross is that you lot, be you true fans, or the dispicables that pick out of a hat of teams that win the champions league, you have no need or reason to bash roma supporters and it is because this post did so that I call out those fans that just don’t get it and simply root for the biggest teams. Let them bitch. You guys should feel free to complain about your own inadequacies, leave roma alone just as they should leave lecce alone.
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O’Reilly
wow, you argue just like your namesake – ie you refuse to actually consider and respond to arguments made and simply repeat your own arguments until you’re blue in the face. If you actually read what I said, I said that clubs of the same relative size to Roma (within their respective leagues, be it baseball or football) have achieved far more success that Roma has. Yes, I know that Liverpool and Arsenal are bigger than Roma. But their size relative to Chelsea is the same as Roma’s relative to Milan and Juve (if not smaller). Yet they have both achieved far greater recent success (domestically and internationally) than Roma. But ok, forget them. What about the examples of Sevilla, Villareal, Deportivo, Kaiserslautern, and Man Utd of the early 90’s? Those are/were all clubs of about the same size as Roma who all achieved more success.Fact is, Roma is what they are because their captain, their on-field leader does not play big games with a strong desire to win and cannot motivate his teammates. The fact that you can’t even admit it, and are here whining about how unkindly milan fans are talking about your team is symptomatic of the weak mentality that has infected the entire Roma organization, from management to fans.
Also, I was not the one who introduced the baseball analogy, you were by comparing Milan to the Yankees.
And lastly, I’ll talk about whomever I please however I please, and you can’t stop me
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Shangai, are you twelve or do you just have an IQ of 70? For the umpteenth time: I AM NOT A ROMA FAN. Do you know how stupid you sound simply repeting your last post and telling me I’m not listening and simply regurgitating your previous post. First off, winning the uefa cup is not the same as winning the league. Good for sevilla winning that or villareal reaching the semis of the CL…THAT IS NO WHERE NEAR as big as winning the league. Your point about totti has nothing to do with ANYTHING I am arguing about. Feel free to bring it up again. It will still be irrelevant and have no bearing on this discussion. Baseball was introduced in as much as citing the yankees are a similar perpetual powerhouse much like Chelsea, man u, inter, Milan, juve and also those clubs are all comparable to eachother. For you to call out a divide between them would reduce your IQ to below 70. That is called disagreeing. I promise, no a you restating your previous posts will not change my mind. In the 90a there was not the monetary divide there is now. It was less pronounced but still relevant. Lastly, I am not arguing the merits of roma. I am saying fans of Milan sound like spoiled twats slaming roma as and overacheiving mid level team. That is all I have been arguing. Now I am arguing that you are not listening to me, not making a relevant point and should go focus on your third grade spelling test now rather that restating your unrelevant point. Thanks for saying I wasn’t reading closely, it allows me to add hypocrisy to your dosier. Seriously, stop. But if you really want you can keep throwing your badass weight around the net. You’re so hard core.
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O’reilly, for a long time fan of calcio, you seem to be pretty ignorant when a team like Chelsea is not ” perpetual powerhouse” as you call them. Abramovich turned them into the Yankees, in fact they were a laugher before the arrival of the Zola, Ranieri, and then Abramovich and Mourinho to make them what they are today. Your arguements are a bit lost buddy, but keep it up, I find them entertaining…
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Just shut the fuck up, Gianfranco. Of course you’d find a logical,thought out arguement “entertaining”. You’re too busy whining about a fellow bloggers interpretation of a term you had issues with or praising the ‘merits’ of a guy like ambrosini over those of DDR to offer even a fraction of insight that o’reilly or even a lobotomiesd chimp for that matter.
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Gianfranco, that’s cute. You’re right, I had no idea that abramovic bought Chelsea before the 2003/2004 season which Ranieri coached before mourinho took over in the 05/06 season leading them to their first league win in 50 years. In fact I wasn’t at the united Chelsea game in 2002/ 03 when forlan scored in the dying minutes handing united the game 2 1 on their way to taking the title back from Chelsea. That’s called sarcasm. You really want to discount my opinion because I didn’t site that Chelsea’s recent wealth, which lies solely with their Russian billianaire owner, is the primary reason for their current success? Weak. I’m glad you’re entertained. I find you moronic and dull.
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fellas, we can have this discussion all day on this back page of the milan blog, and I would be very much OK with it, but as shehan so politely said earlier you need this facade, and I just love reading your comments so really there is no reason to stop this fun and games, but alas there are other blogs for you to infest so when your limelight is gone so are you, but your presence is always welcome…
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O’reilly, for a non-roma fan you get a bit bunched in the panties like one…
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