DISGUSTED
By: Gianfranco | August 29th, 2009I may need a day or so to sort this out…unacceptable…
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? @ walinyunsa
Lippi called up 0 players from Inter. They must be worse than Milan…
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Not being Italian, I wasn’t going to go there, but I’m with you fifaguy
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bigD – we should sell pirlo 2nite and snap up ledesma & pandev 4m lazio (if only!!!!!!)
nothing 2 do but knuckle down and fight it out against the likes of genoa & napoli etc
we will def finish in the top half this season and maybe even sneak out of the group stages in the CL (still think that marseille are a bad sign tho!)
suck it up Milan, match by match
if there is onething we SHOU
LD do its try to season the young guys like abate, ants, de gennaro so that by next season they will be genuine contendersbut is leo the guy 2 ‘raise’ a young player?
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shingai – Lippi called up Santon.
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shingai: Lippi has called up Santon plus Balotelli and Crisetig were called up to the U21 side.
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Whoops, brief. That came up as I was typing
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@BigDawg4Milan
“Where do we go from here people???”
I once heard that panicking and jumping ship at the first obstacle on what is widely acknowledged to be a long, difficult journey is a practical thing to do…
That’s sarcasm for those who didn’t catch on.
I know most here are used to rooting for a team that has plenty of money to buy very good players at all positions, but I promise you that a team can be successful, even on a tight budget. But first, you need to realize that losing 4-0 (and to a rival) is yes, embarrasing and disheartening, but no it is not the end of the world. As Mourinho says, the sun will still rise the next day. There are still 36 games to be played in the league, and Leo has two weeks to look over game film and make the adjustments that he can with the squad that he has. Again, if Liverpool could win the CL in 2005 against a much superior side in Istanbul (and make it again to the final in 2007), then this Milan side.You know, the difference between a team like Liverpool and Milan (at least over the past 10 years) is that Milan has a tough time taking a hit on the chin and continuing (that and protecting a lead). Enough of this chickenshit whining. It’s easy to be the fan of a team with enough obvious talent to be a contender year in and year out. We’ll see who the fairweather fans are when each win becomes a struggle and there is no certainty whatsoever as to where to expect the team to end up at the end of the year. But to answer the question, what do we do from here – if you can make it to matches, show up in full colors, be as vocal and supportive of your team as you can, even when they are struggling and playing like shit. Awesome fans can make the difference for a team, especially in moments of self-doubt like these.
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I don’t really count the u-21 side, Johanna, but I apologize for missing Santon. Point being, number of players called up for the Italy squad is no measure at all of how well a squad is doing…
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I think many of you guys are missing how catastrophic the novice Leonardo’s stewardship has been thus far. Why was Gattuso even the only guy covering Eto’o in the first place? He literally *had* to drag the guy down or watch him score. Pick one. Where was the defense? This is somehow Rino’s fault?
Being beaten by this inter team isn’t a sin, but imploding because your team has somehow forgotten the basics mechanics of managing a game is the pro athlete’s equivalent. While reinforcements might be nice, the players on this team don’t exactly suck. But the team does indeed appear to rather suck. Who’s responsibility is this?
Leonardo is undoubtedly well-meaning and certainly well-tailored, but a coach he isn’t. Losing Kaka is a (mighty nicely remunerated) blow but losing Ancelotti appears nearly fatal.
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tito, I think the defenders weren’t there because of a failed offside trap. It *was* gattuso’s fault because he should have been on the ball first judging from the positions on the pitch. it was also his fault that he got the bright idea to take eto’o down in that situation, that should have been a straight red card along with a penalty kick. a smart man would have just pressured him while he tried to take a shot so he couldn’t set it up properly and hope for storari to do the rest. anything is better than red card + penalty. as for the left back not being there – hasn’t leonardo been asking for a new left back for months? it’s not his fault that jankulovski is his best choice.
I don’t like anybody saying it would be better with ancelotti. please. ancelotti is the one that allowed the team to sink into this ‘concede one goal and give up’ attitude. he’s also the one that lost/drew a shitload of matches when milan was ahead because of his disastrous, irrational second half substitutes. last week against siena he would have probably substituted borriello for seedorf and pato for ambrosini, at which point we would concede a second goal. he’s the one who was leading the team in istanbul. he only won 1 scudetto in all these years when milan was realistically better than inter most of the time. he had a knack for big CL games (apart from khm khm), a lot of respect and a better team than leonardo has today. that’s about it.
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“I don’t like anybody saying it would be better with ancelotti. please. ancelotti is the one that allowed the team to sink into this ‘concede one goal and give up’ attitude. he’s also the one that lost/drew a shitload of matches when milan was ahead because of his disastrous, irrational second half substitutes. last week against siena he would have probably substituted borriello for seedorf and pato for ambrosini, at which point we would concede a second goal. he’s the one who was leading the team in istanbul. he only won 1 scudetto in all these years when milan was realistically better than inter most of the time. he had a knack for big CL games (apart from khm khm), a lot of respect and a better team than leonardo has today. that’s about it.”
Outrageous. Now we all know I am Ancelotti supporter so I am not going to attempt to hide that fact.
Ancelotti led this team in Istanbul. I agree. Those 6 minutes will haunt ancelotti, every milan player and fan for the rest of their lives. But he is also the coach that led this team to Manchester in 2003 and Moscow in 2007. Or did you seem to forget that? Find me a coach who won 2 CL’s in 6 years along with a final and semi-final appearance to boot.
And I am not sure how Ancelotti “allowed” this team to concede one goal and give up. The fact is that when Ancelotti had a real team Milan were the most ruthless team in Europe.
He won only one scudetto while Milan were realistically better than Inter the whole time. Yeah, thats true, but you seem to forget the team that actually won all the Scudetto’s Milan could not win. It was Juve. Not Inter. We all know Inter pre-calciopoli were not a real threat to the Milan-Juve hegemony. And the pre-calciopoli Juve squad was not inferior to anyone.
Finally, you claim that Janks was not Leo’s first choice and he has been begging for a left back but hasn’t been given one so its “not his fault” that Janks is the only one available. How convenient. This is whats been pissing me off. People who will allow Leo to go blameless for not getting the players he wants but blame Ancelotti for not putting on a good team when he too didn’t get the players he wanted.
Let me remind you who Ancelotti asked for in the past few years. Ribery (affordable when he went to Bayern), Eto’o (Barca were dying to get rid of him last year, instead we got Gordinho), Kjaer… to name a few. Pick a lane. Either blame Leo for not being able to get the management to bring him the players he wants or don’t blame Ancelotti for not being able to do the same.
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“And I am not sure how Ancelotti “allowed” this team to concede one goal and give up. The fact is that when Ancelotti had a real team Milan were the most ruthless team in Europe.”
both these statements are equally delusional. I can’t count all the times ancelotti lost a won game. what I mean by won game is a game against a considerably weaker opponent in which milan has the lead. I can’t count all the times milan was down and didn’t get back up. I can’t count all the (plain stupid) substitutes he made to directly sway a game in the wrong direction.
The rest of your post is equally delusional. A few years ago, the team ancelotti had was superior to the team leonardo has today in every way. he asked for ribery and didn’t get him? he got kaka for christ’s sake.
I’m not going to get into this right now, it’s 4:30 AM and I don’t have the patience for it. But just for the record, let’s not bring Chelsea into it like Ancelotti is the reason they’re playing well. Chelsea would play well under almost anyone. Even that Israeli guy who is barely a real coach.
Anyway, I’ll be brief and say that Ancelotti is possibly the most overrated coach of the last two decades. His fans say he’s a great tactician when in reality it took the smaller teams in italy only a little time to figure him out, from which point onward they were reading him like an open book and all through his era milan struggled more than both inter and juve to win against defensive teams such as atalanta, livorno, whoever. I was begging for a change of coach back in the summer of 2007 because it was time for a change, but, as everything in milan comes too late these days, it took berlusconi two years of NOTHING to get around to it.
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Well, maybe its because its 4:30am. Maybe you just didn’t have a point. But if you did, whenever you get a chance, please respond to my post with some actual points rather than just calling it delusional. Because that does not actually argue against the points that I made.
Oh and why would Ancelotti need Ribery when he already had Kaka? Was that a serious question?
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lol jovan, roman doesn’t think so. and i’ll take roman’s opinion over yours any day of the week.
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k and Jovan, I agree with both of you. Under Ancelotti, Milan was the most opportunistic team in Europe (read CL). Especially in the knockout rounds, you had to play a mistake free two legs to beat Milan. However, under Ancelotti, Milan never had the killer instinct, and on four seperate occasions that I can remember, failed to tighten the screws on an opponent they way a more ruthless team would have. These are:
1) the CL semi vs Inter in 2003 (up 1-0 with an away goal advantage against an inferior team, Martins scores late to make a nailbiter of it)
2) losing 5-4 to Depor on aggregate after taking a 4-1 first leg victory
3) CL semi vs PSV in 2005. Up 2-0 from the first leg, need a late late goal from Ambro to get the final on away goals (losing 3-1)
4) Istanbul 2005The first one may be marginal. But the last three…they are too many and too high profile to not be a serious blot on a man’s resume. That and the simple failure to field a starting XI that was mentally prepared each and every week to beat the team opposing them at any cost. Man Utd showed us that you don’t have to do well against the other 2 or 3 good teams to win the league – consistent performance against the weaker teams will do as well. And Milan was capable of doing that…all of one time in 6 attempts under Carlo.
Why the hell am I even bothering to write this?
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Jovan, my man. The is only good as his team selection will allow him. We were on top when we had an all-star line up. But this is not FIFA 2005 played over and over again. People age in real life and its up to management to bring new, adequate subs. Look at Inter: Milito, Eto’o, Motta and Schejder dismantled veteran team despite being new to the system. Diego, single handedly beat Roma (Totti is fatter then R80, btw, but as the joke goes – he is older too).
As a coach you may ask for particular type of player that may fit your system and bring some new dimension sometimes. But it was always up to “transfer gurus” of Milan to really go out and bring that player. IMO Carlo was stranded in the position of no power whatsoever over any transfer decision. Can’t you see the difference? Mouninho asked for AM and got AM, and not some future project or starlet, but a Holland NT playmaker. You want Milito over Cruz and Crespo? Here you go. Now imagine Inter saying – no. Play Cruz and Crespo, and FUCK Joselito OFF, no Schnejder, play Stank he is more then suitable, or unretire Figo to fix your issues. Huh, that would be nice.
Carletto did well with what he had w/o extensive moaning and complaining. His Milan won CL despite Calciopoli problems, not thanks to them. So Kudos to Carlo. He had some brain farts, but who didn’t?
I retired after Rino’s second yellow card and wanted to break something, had to take a cold shower to wash the tantamount of stupidity that was oozing off the screen. Switched off and went to drink vodka for the rest of the evening. With the current setup we are a fair game for any ambitious team.
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All I can say for Borriello is that even Sheva could have done the job he’s currently doing, and scored a few more goals in the process.
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Ahem. Apparently I have started yet another Ancelotti debate.
I want to reiterate that, that was not my intention. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy in giving Leo a free pass in a loss because he didn’t get the players he wanted but crucifying Ancelotti for the same.
Shingai, I agree with you. Sort of. I think Milan did have that killer instinct (we did go 4-1 up against depor. And 3-0 against liverpool when we sensed their weakness) What we had was over-confidence which often let the other team back into it. Sometimes this team were playing so well and were so proud of it that they practically stopped to applaud themselves while the other team conveniently launched a come back. I think the real problem with that era was not that they didn’t have that killer instinct, but it was the arrogance and presumptuousness that expected every other team to bow down to its superiority.
Look at the Depor or Liverpool games. We have a very, very healthy lead and it was as if we expected them to just give up to our superiority. We expected them to not even bother trying to win the game as such an effort would be futile against our excellence.
The same attitude was seen against smaller teams. Frustration when the other team refused to just give up against our imperial play. The problem was that our team might have been the best in Europe, but they knew they were and were extremely arrogant about it. And that was their true weakness. IMO.
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Its like that really hot girl who knows she is really hot and doesn’t ever expect to even lift a finger to get what she wants.
Well, now that she is gotten older, not everyone is willing to just bend over backwards for them and since they have never had to actually work for what they want, they have no idea how to go about it.
Sort of. Okay, that may be the most useless analogy ever. And slightly offensive.
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k, that was actually the most apt analogy I’ve heard/read. This goes for the squad as a whole, as well as the fans. Completely unacquainted with the concept of struggling and grinding out wins. But it’s what we all have to get used to…
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But K, there is always the hope that the aging hot girl will remember that she has a brain and use it.
Instead of struggling, maybe the team just has to go about things a little differently. Maybe now is the time for Milan to really start looking to their academy.
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K, the analogy is great. As a whole. Inter. situation. Not Milan. Sorry man. These guys spit blood to win these trophies. Inter on the other hand will have to prove time and again that they are worthy title holders and not place holders for future Juve triumphs. (I would have preferred to include Milan, but let’s learn how to walk first, before we attempt to fly).
Johonna – as to remebering how to use your brains – one had to have ‘em in the first place.Posted from
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k, my point was as clear and concise as points get, I’m not gonna bother to elaborate on this anymore since your infatuation with ancelotti seems to be overwhelming
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it hearts when your team lose 4-0 but we have to compere hoe much inter,spend on this markit and how much milan did.if you don’t invest you get regress.i’m sorry but thats the trued.celling sheva,win 2007 champions, ,2009 celling kaka and set the transfer of courcuf where does the money goes.
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