Milan 2 Roma 1, a Win is a Win is a Win
By: Gianfranco | October 19th, 2009Let me be perfectly clear, WE WON, was it pretty, was it flowing football, and was it the best match ever?? Hell no, but when the final whistle blew Milan had more goals than Roma, in a match where a win was the last thing I would have anticipated, my terribly low expectations were exponentially rewarded. Does the win solve our problems? Not at all, we still have issues, but beating those Roma crybabies is always a plus and should be enjoyed.
Time to get down to business, when I saw Dida in the starting lineup I knew things were going to be rough. He was in fact the reason Roma fans saw glimmers of hope on any shots on goal. You can argue that the first goal was a mistake on Dida for not moving sooner off his line and closing down Menez, but Silva’s ball was HORRIFIC, and his play following that mistake was thankfully improved. To concede so early for this team who can’t score with a lead, or even up a man, was a death sentence, today that was not the case.
Many people want a youth movement and evolution from the veterans, and while it is much needed it is players like Clarence, Pirlo, Nesta, Ambro and even Dinho who remain calm and keep the team moving forward despite the scoreboard. While the attacks were poor, rarely dangerous, and often east to west the possession tipped in Milan’s favor and things started looking up. I have to admit that the 4-4-2 was a bad choice, it gave the squad width but for little to no reason, and in contrast gave Menez a fair amount of space to operate in between the midfield and defensive line. For as bad as the formation was Leo did well to move Dinho in a more advanced position relieving him of much of his “running” duties. Granted all this does is hide a glaring fault in Dinho’s game but it puts him in a more advanced position. I will take more about Dinho shortly.
In the second half Leo brought on Pippo in place of Abate, hopefully Abate is not injured, and Leo was just throwing strikers at the one goal disadvantage. Pippo made an instant impact with a header cleared off the line that many a Roma fan will forget as we touch on the next point of the match. Had Pippo scored this goal, there would be no crying and complaining and Roma fans would not have the chance to cry about their plight of bad calls and “oh how the ref’s hate us!” Nesta was brought down in the box by Burdisso and Rossetti called it, and Dinho buried it. If you want to read about a team not being accountable for their shortcomings and playing the blame game, visit the Roma blog, but I will keep my hard line as I always have, these things all even out in the end. I bet Roma fans would champion Menez for his diving antics if he won a penalty, yet they call me a hypocrite. Ambro got a red, did he deserve it? I dunno, but you don’t see me crying about it…
Following the goal Milan had the momentum and suddenly Ronaldinho looked briefly liked his old self. He was fervent, aggressive, and intense. His hard work was rewarded as he found Pato on an excellent run for a quality finish and a one goal lead…FINALLY…Dinho to Pato the link up we had all be waiting for since week 1. Following this play Dinho even made a cameo on the defensive end and won a tackle to boot, truly amazing stuff. He worked so hard he earned himself a rest and surely a deserved round of applause.
The fact of the matter is Milan did not have a stand out performance today. Instead they hung with it, grinded it out and got a win against team with building momentum, but not necessarily full of class. It was the type of win you build of off, you think of this as an effort in hard work and determination and hope the positives aspects come forward in the next match and the negatives disappear. It would be great to see this resiliency and the movement forward from the second half against Real Madrid, but in the same vain we need more out of Dinho and Pato, much more, and Pirlo and Seedorf have to work that much harder to keep the ball moving around the park. All our problems are not solved, but it sure feels good to get a win and I will enjoy it least for a day or two! 
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yes, clearly I am biased. So is the general media and so is Collina. They’re all Roma fans according to your much more credible logic.
Interpretation of the rule…LOL…yeah, I like how you use that as a crutch to justify what was clearly the wrong call. “Clamoroso” I think is the correct term used by the Italian media regarding Ro$etti.
LOL, I love this line: “one should be able to win without calls period”, says the guy who’s team clearly won because through the being the beneficiary of disgracful CALLS. Only people condoning cheating would stand behind such a fucked up comment like that.
Here’s something to think about, given your logic about “winning without calls period”: why does the game employ 4 officials if “calls” have no bearing on the game as you allude?
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Incorrect, not-so-special k. I never recall saying that Roma deserved to win all games. I clearly stated that Roma lost to Juve EVEN despite that Cannavaro failed a drug test after that game. Juve outplayed us. there is no denying that. The difference between the two teams that played on Sunday was a paid off ref for Milan. Try not to put words in other people’s mouths.
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The game needs four officials for Roma fans or else you would have no one to blame!
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That’s exactly the type of fucked up response one would expect from you, given your consistent inability to make a legitimate rebuttal.
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Way to take a joke big guy, ready for another, Roma can’t pay refs because there are four of them…they barley have any money to pay one.
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Ahhhh, my apologies then. The joke was off my radar since, in the last couple of days, I’ve had to condition myself to dumbing down the comedic inflections of the comments so that I can better appreciate avia’s ‘humor’.
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“Incorrect, not-so-special k. I never recall saying that Roma deserved to win all games. I clearly stated that Roma lost to Juve EVEN despite that Cannavaro failed a drug test after that game.”
Right, so Juve outplayed you. That would be an acceptance. The fact that you say, Juve outplayed you and then add a little * to the equation by saying Canna failed a drug test (which was later on explained and accepted pretty universally), shows that you still cannot just simply say that Roma was outplayed. You have to add a little “but.”
My point still stands.
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“Milan beat roma, but they had help from the refs”
“Juve beat roma, but Canna failed a drug test”
“xxx beat roma, but we had no totti”
“Xxx beat roma, but half our players were injured”
“xxx beat roma, but its the sicilian curse”There is always a little “but” because you simply cannot accept that your team has ever been inferior to another team. When Milan has lost this year, it has hardly surprised any of the fans. We have expected it on account of how much we have been sucking this year. That’s why we will most likely bounce back. Ineptitude is simply not tolerated.
Where as you guys will continue making excuses for your ineptitude. The coach, the players, the fans. And the longer the excuses keep coming the more and more likely it becomes that you guys never bounce back. Had we lost that game, Seedorf would have been chastised for that miss. Pato as well for his multiple misses. Even if there was a ref error. And that would have driven them to improve their game next time. Where as Vucinic and Menez are given free passes even though they clearly failed to do their job. The ref may have not done his job as well as he should have, but neither did Vucinic and Menez. Yet, for Roma, instead of focusing on the ones who are actually on your payroll (assuming the ref is not) they spent all their time chastising the ref.
Assuming the quotes on the Roma blog are correct, not a single Roma player or the coach thought of mentioning that we should have taken our chances when we had em. All they did was cry. The lack of accountability amongst the roman players, coach and fans is laughable.
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I’m not really sure what point really stands when I added the Cannavaro bit to show you that, even despite that infraction that would be deemed as cheating, it wasn’t the difference maker in the result of that game. There was no “little but” added in my comment. You definitely are visually impaired.
Btw, the inquiry on Cannavaro is still open.
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Still putting words in other people’s mouth, I see.
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yes, but the fact that you still add that in there does negate the argument. Because you still instill that little doubt in the mind of the reader.
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and I did think that the canna drug test issue was resolved after the bee sting explanation. If not, then my apologies, I was wrong about that particular claim.
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Fuck, you are a dense one, aren’t you? I added that in there given the context of cheating in games in that that particular infraction, even though considered cheating, was not the reason for the loss. Are you not able to comprehend the reason for citing the Juve game as an example?
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It was apparently re-opened by CONI for further investigation. However, I just looked it up again and it appears that CONI have definitively dropped the charges.
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Its like this. Inter won those scudetto’s from Juve. But as soon as I add that little * next to it, everyone’s attention still directly goes there. Just because you say that regardless of the fact that there is an accusation of someone cheating, we still lost, does not preclude it from being an excuse. If it truly was not an excuse and it truly didn’t matter, you wouldn’t have brought it up in the first place. I wasn’t the one who brought up Canna. You were. You could have just said Juve beat us and completely outplayed us. But you had to add a little tidbit about canna failing a drug test.
You are not going to understand my point. So I am not going to bother trying to explain it to you any longer.
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Do you understand the term, “context”? Our discussion was about using cheating (a.k.a. the context) as justification for losses. the Cannavaro qualifier was intended to magnify the point that even in a case where there was suspicious activity beyond the regular play (alleged cheating), it wasn’t being used as the excuse for the loss. The loss was attributed to the fact that Juventus were the better team. I could have cited other games instead but the point here was to undermine your incessant rhetoric about me using cheating as a justification in all games that Roma have lost.
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Marco,first and foremost I want to thank you for your patronage to the site, especially on a two day old post that was kicked well two days ago, your inablility to “let it go” or “know when you are licked” is amazing and your resilience is also admirable, but seeing that you must have the last word and you have argued yourself into some wierd vortex where you expect context to be gleaned from three to four sentence comments days ago, and repeating yourself over and over again your case has waned.
Clearly you will not relent, again that top class resiliency, but I cant help but wish you the sincerest of luck in your day to day endeavors, you my friend have issues with both logic, belief, and “letting things go.” Best of luck to you my friend…
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GF, it’s always a pleasure to come here and ridicule you. No need to thank me. My relentlessness is in large part a product of the rather dense audience here so I don’t want take all the credit. I clearly wouldn’t expect to understand what the issue of context means with respect to a conversation but that is the least of your worries. We’ve discussed your writing ’skills’ already and those skills are only matched by your ability to rebut to any hard questions other than claiming that ‘you were joking’ when called on it. Contrary to your claim, I do know when I’m being “licked”- my testicles are very clean now after this two day exchange.
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Oh Marco, again you have missed the boat entirely, I cant speak for K, but I have stopped arguing with you because the effort is futile your bias and constant harping make it IMPOSSIBLE for you to have a rational thought and conduct a logical argeument, the fact is I cant even argue with you anymore because you stopped making sense AGES ago…but again thanks for hanging out and supporting the blog.
The sad fact of the matter is you as a fan, regardless of club, is what is wrong with sport, you are to caught up in your own team’s agenda and mediocrity to respectfully and intelligently conduct an arguement. You took a shot at my writing skills, great, I learned english when I was ten, I suck at grammar, and rarely have time to proof my posts, do you see what I just did, I pointed out my flaws because I am man enough to do so, and comfortable enough to do so, a trait you so desperately lack.
The sheer fact that I am getting into this with you on a personal level is making me disgusted, but your lunacy has tugged so far at my moral constructs that I cant help but spew out this tirade…nice work…very few people have that ability to be such a nuissance to me…and to think I coach level upon level of youth and High School soccer and even 10-18 years old are more adept and socially capable and rational than you have portrayed yourself to be.
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LOL – You mean “respectfully and intelligently” like your farewell post to Maldini? Or is it your astute judgement of Ambrosini being a better midfield than De Rossi, hence all the tampering by other clubs and mass media accolades over Ambrosini? Who exactly is blind, illogical. irrational and “caught up with their own team’s agenda” here?
Oh I make loads of sense with what I say. It really isn’t my fault that you are too dense and particularly dim (or just stubborn) to comprehend it or even dismiss it on account of having no legitimate response.
You can also continue to take lame shots at me out of frustration for your own ineptitude but, last time I checked, a gun needs to be loaded to have any impact. The truth of the matter is, you have no answers and, consequently, resort to projecting the very traits you behold onto others. I point out that your team is a notoriously cheating entity and your response is questioning the veracity of wikipedia or make a claim that there is “zero” chance of a ref being paid off, yet your team is a repeat offender..LOL. The deduction process has failed you and denial is a virtue you obviously hold dearly.
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See you at the Olimpico, fuckers.
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Marco hope your roman blinders allowed you to watch todays match…love to hear about the allegations regarding this one…cant wait actually.
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Allegations? What allegations? No one ever said that Milan pulls the strings in Europe.
It was an entertaining game to watch, actually. I wasn’t at all surprised to see Real role over in the second half at home. It appears that most Italian teams have their number, other than Inter.
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