Il Vero Derby D’Italia Match Preview

By: Gianfranco | December 12th, 2008

Alessio of the Juventus Offside fame, regular contributer to the comments, and all around knowledgeable calcio guy and I decided that we would put together a collaborative match preview. This game is huge both this season and historically, call it what you want, but currently it is really a fight for the right to challenge Inter at the top table or dismiss Milan as posers for the title run. Alessio and I decided to give each other a set of questions and answer them, it turned out to be an interesting exercise for us, and I hope it is as interesting for you as well.

General thoughts on the opposite team?
Alessio: Milan happens to have two of my favorite non-Juventini in the world, Pirlo and Maldini. Both are absolutely tremendous players, when on, they are some of the best in history at their position. Last year there was a lot of mention about how Milan’s squad was virtually the same as the last time we faced off, whereas obviously the Bianconeri have made radical changes. I think Dinho and Sheva were the wrong signings…..they are just going to crowd out Borriello and Pato. Amauri would have been perfect for Milan, although he would have certainly been the replacement for Borriello. If Milan do sign Thiago Silva it’s a good move. It’s a shame Milan only signs Brazilians now, but so it goes. Their backline needs to be refreshed badly. Maldini, Favalli, and Nesta are on their last legs, and Kaladze, Zambrotta, and Jankulovski aren’t exactly young.
Gianfranco: There are few teams and coaches that I respect more in all of Italy than Juventus and Ranieri. Ranieri has always been an intriguing character and what I considered to be a very good judge of talent. For all the credit Jose Mourinho got in his first year at Chelsea, what people forgot to mention was that Ranieri built the foundation of the team that Jose made so famous. Forget the tinkerman for a moment, my respect for Juventus stems on their consistent policy for years and years to groom young Italian players for the National team while giving a home to top notch Italian players as well. This was a formula that Milan was known as for well, but have currently lost their way choosing to feed the Brazilian National team instead. Despite Juventus’s struggles early in the season the team has galvanized and are to be considered a threat and challenger to the scudetto.

What do you like about the other team?
Alessio: They treat their stars well. People might bitch about letting Serginho, Cafu, and the thousand other Milanistas stay too long, but Juve has had a pretty shitty history of prematurely cutting legends careers. They have a superb European record, and a lot of strong traditions.
Gianfranco: Commitment to young Italian players and Italian players in general, their choice to sell Nocerino was a puzzling, but their commitment to players like Giovinco, Chiellini, Marchionni, and Molinaro is envious for any Italian.

What do you not like about the other team?
Alessio: Had they signed Amauri instead of Borriello, their entire attack would be Brazilian. Seriously guys, chill out the jungle fever.
Gianfranco: Nedved. I can’t quite put my finger on why I don’t like him but it is probably a menagerie of reasons.

If you could have one player from the other team, who would it be?
Alessio: Pirlo. No more attempts to find a regista.
Gianfranco: Chiellini, we need defense bad and he is potential beast, I would even take Legrottaglia.

Who is your least favorite player on the other team?
Alessio: Zambrotta? Emerson? I don’t really hate anyone on Milan. Except maybe them.
Gianfranco: Nedved here again, again I can’t explain it, maybe it is the hair.

Opponent Scudetto or Inter?
Alessio: Milan, anyday.
Gianfranco: No matter scudetto’s for Inter they are to close as it is!

What is your team’s lineup?
Alessio: 4-4-2 is without question. There are a few selection questions though. Is Camo prepared to start? He dislocated his shoulder a few weeks ago, initially we thought he’d be out till 2009 but he’s been trying to get ready for this game. He didn’t play against BATE, so we’ll see. Legrottaglie is suspended, so Mellberg got a run out on Wednesday to get him somewhat prepared. Center-mid is the last question. Sissoko was suspended for the game against BATE, now he has the flu. He’s been given the next two days off, but could make it. Zanetti surprisingly played a full 90 in his place, but he’s coming off 4-5 months of injury and looked rusty. Ranieri did well to rest Chiellini, ADP and Amauri on Wednesday, but I could not understand why Nedved played nearly the full game.
(4-4-2) Manninger; Grygera, Mellberg, Chiellini, Molinaro; Marchionni, Sissoko, Marchisio, Nedved; ADP, Amauri
Gianfranco: It is looking more and more like the XMAS tree will continue to haunt us. But at least Carletto will have the services of Seedorf and Ambrosini to help offset the loss of Rino. Kaka and Dinho will continue to play behind the striker, most likely Pato, but I no longer have faith that this attacking trident has the side needed to get dirty and win the match which puts an enormous amount of pressure of on Seedorf, Pirlo and Ambro to play more defense, or have a more defense mindset which is not good. The match against Inter earlier in the season, saw a stellar performance from Seedorf but also a strong defensive performance on the flanks from Ambro and Gattuso, who will be missed for his bite in the middle of the park.

How’s the team’s form?
Alessio: Pretty good. We’ve won the last 9 Serie A games in a row or so, barring the slip up at Milan’s bastard cousins Inter. Goalless draws against BATE and Zenit, but we finished 1st in the group. This is a good time to face Milan, if only we were a bit more rested.
Gianfranco:Couldn’t pick a worser time to face Juventus. The injury list is a mess, and the team has lost that rhythm and form that they had earlier in the season. However, this team is always capable of the big match when they are facing a big opponent, and there is no one bigger right now in the Serie A.

MOTM?
Alessio: ADP. He might not get on the scoresheet, but he’s in sensational form right now. When he came on for Amauri on Wednesday, Juve looked a lot more threatening.
Gianfranco: Pirlo. There was a time when this team didn’t function without this man, granted the loss of dependence on him is welcome because it gives him a chance to get some rest and find his form. He needs to reclaim his place as the creative engine on this team, and there is no better stage to do it than this match.

Predicted score? Scorers?
Alessio: 2-1 to the Bianconeri. Amauri to get on the score sheet…and a defender. Maybe Chiellini or Mellberg on a set piece.
Gianfranco: We all know I hate to predict scores, to many factors and so on governing the match. Quite honestly I sense a draw here, but set pieces specifically free kicks, will play huge a role. If you like set pieces this game is a treat ADP, Pirlo, and Dinho all ready to strike the dead ball for the back of the net.



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  • pera |  December 13th, 2008 at 9:19 am

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    Juve is today an average european club so this game is called derby only because of tradition.This game is no more difficult than atalanta-milan for example.Expect a win here.Prediction 0:2.

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  • ricci |  December 13th, 2008 at 10:00 am

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    As a neutral I think this game will be very entertaining. Last week I would have said Milan will outplay Juve, but the injury of the rejuvenated Gattuso will surely hurt. That man was simply on fire. The fact that he played a 90 min game with a torn ACL is incredibly impressive.

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  • alessio |  December 13th, 2008 at 11:07 am

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    I was avoiding the thread given its obviously counter-factual title, but you redeemed the concept in two sentences.

    Which comment Ursus? The one about Lapo?

    I don’t see why it isn’t the real derby, Juve-Inter was the derby d’Italia because they were the two most supported sides and neither had been relegated. Both of those are no longer true. Besides…..the team with the most Italian titles and 2nd most European silverware v. the team with the 2nd most Italian titles and the most European silverware. Only makes sense.

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  • fetyani |  December 13th, 2008 at 11:18 am

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    apparently Ambrosini is out and Flamini is in.

    Carletto: “The only one sure of playing is Flaimini.”

    Kaka in too, as far as the last update that is.

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  • fetyani |  December 13th, 2008 at 11:21 am

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    Dear Juventini,

    Look at this:

    http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q87/milanista3/Milan/conteperso.jpg

    and watch this:

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=PSzls7ifOSY

    Thank You :)

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  • alessio |  December 13th, 2008 at 11:37 am

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    Damn you, fetyani.

    If only Nedved had been there…

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  • fetyani |  December 13th, 2008 at 11:46 am

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    that juve team was destined for that CL. and i love we won it over you. juve is always special to me. first, my younger brother is hardcore juve fan, also my closest friends are juventini. ADP is one of my top 5 of all time + i always liked juve when i was young kid, so now i need to make up for those dark days.

    and i thought id share it with the other juventini at the juve blog.

    and watch this video alessio. will make you cry for that squad not winning the 02-03 CL.

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=9kZRT0m-_XI

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  • moka |  December 13th, 2008 at 11:55 am

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    Yea, I don’t think I can ‘hate’ Juve, like I hate Inter. No way. It was the first team I ’supported’ when I was like 11 years old, but then I switched to Milan at the age of 12, and fell in love. :P

    But yea, Juve have DEL PIERO, and that means A LOT. :D

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  • alessio |  December 13th, 2008 at 11:58 am

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    All will be right with the CL world if Juve repeats at the Stadio Olimpico di Roma this May…

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  • fetyani |  December 13th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

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    i just read on italy lega calcio blog “A Statistical View of Serie A”.

    proves that we are a good team, but we cannot seem to finish. problem with putting the final touches to convert them into goals.

    on paper our midfield is phenomenal, and Becks can only make it better.

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  • Fadayn |  December 13th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

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    ‘Dinho will win it as he did over Inter before he had even come back towards fitness. hat trick.

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  • Johonna |  December 13th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

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    Wow. Napoli’s big win over Lecce moves them into 3rd. If Milan don’t pick up any points tomorrow, they will be in 4th based on goal differential.

    The tension mounts.

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  • Samuel |  December 13th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

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    well i really do not know who will win this game but im hoping since dinho has occassinnally stepped up on great games he will play a great match i say if the circumstances are right my wish is milan 3-2 over the old lady in a five goal thriller.the whole Kaparo trident will score with amuari and delpierro netting for the old lady, but there’s no chance in hell thats gonna happen so i hope my prediction doesn’t come back to bite me in the arse.

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  • fifaguy |  December 13th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

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    a hat trick for ronnie? i would give my left n-t for that to happen tomorrow.

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  • alessio |  December 13th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

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    I’d be alright with it as long as Del Piero, Amauri, and Manninger score a hat-trick as well.

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  • mele419 |  December 13th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

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    Johonna, this is true, but I don’t mind Napoli’s win since I bet money on them : )

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  • Ro |  December 13th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

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    Hey Gian don’t know if you still want the game banners but here is one that I made for tomorrows game

    http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c291/beutyskooldpout5/ac%20milan/JuvevsMilan.jpg

    hope you guys all like it

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  • alessio |  December 13th, 2008 at 9:38 pm

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    Are we Mascara?

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  • Ro |  December 13th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

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    Lol…I guess so.

    The only reason I chose that pic was because of Rino and I generally like to use a pic from the previous game.

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  • A |  December 14th, 2008 at 2:56 am

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    So the likely line-up for Milan is (?):

    Abiatti; Zambro, Maldini, Kaladze, Jank; Flamini, Emerson, Seedorf; Kaka, ‘Dinho; Pato

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  • A |  December 14th, 2008 at 2:56 am

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    Or is Pirlo in for Emerson/Seedorf??

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  • Gianfranco |  December 14th, 2008 at 6:08 am

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    Latest from channel 4…

    The latest reports from the Milan camp suggest Kaka and Mathieu Flamini are not even fit for the bench against Juventus.

    There were doubts over the two stars ahead of tonight’s Scudetto clash in Turin, although last night there was more optimism around the Brazilian.

    This afternoon the reports coming out of the Rossoneri staff hint that Kaka cannot recover in time from an upper thigh problem.

    The same is true of Flamini, who took a knock to the left ankle in yesterday’s training session and that could well be a sprain.

    These are bitter blows for Carlo Ancelotti, who is already missing Gennaro Gattuso, Daniele Bonera, Marco Borriello and Alessandro Nesta.

    He will have no real midfield choices other than Emerson with Massimo Ambrosini and Andrea Pirlo.

    Clarence Seedorf would work in the Christmas Tree formation alongside Ronaldinho in support of Alexandre Pato.

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  • A. |  December 14th, 2008 at 6:27 am

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    There are so many conflicting reports it’s hard to know what to believe. But if kaka and flamini are out this going to be one ponderous Milan midfield.

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  • Ro |  December 14th, 2008 at 8:28 am

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    If that’s who’s playing I’m afraid of what the score will be at the end of the 90 + mins :(

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  • fifaguy |  December 14th, 2008 at 9:22 am

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    A. should throw caution to the wind and play two strikers

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