No Such Thing as a Bad Win

By: Gianfranco | October 27th, 2008

In the 29th minute when Carletto decided to replace a gimpy Flamini with Emerson I was about ready to throw in the towel. My first and biggest issue was if Flamini was already showing an injury of some sort then why was he started in the first place!? I know that there is a full slate of games in the next week, and Carletto needs all hands on deck, but adding Emerson when you are already playing the Xmas tree, made me want to cry. Emerson did not have a lights out game, and for the majority of it he was crap, but the game did not go as I had originally thought.

Historically Atalanta has always proven very stiff competition for the Rossoneri, especially in their house. Yes the team did not play well, and yes they looked suspect at times, but the result was exactly what they came for, 3 points. I have said it once and I will say it again there is not such thing as a bad win, or even a good loss, because in the end it is exactly what it is. If Milan win the scudetto, and someone pours over the fixture list at the end of the season all this game will show is a win and one small victory on route to a title.

Games like today are what separate great teams from good teams, and though it may not look that way in the 90 minutes many of us watched today, three points in these types of battles really stacks up the points. So what should we make of this really ugly performance?

Abbiati looked a bit shaky today, and was catching the ball like his predecessor Dida, poorly. He did command his area quite nicely, but I would like to see hands on the ball when shots are coming through the area. Bonera, who had a solid game, one minor mistake in my memory, but the rest was very good and my confidence in him is coming along nicely. I still don’t want him in the big games yet, but he is starting to prove his worth in the back.

Ambrosini and Rino did well defensively, but when it came to offensive abilities no one really showed anything special except for the run of play that led to the goal. Kaka, Dinho, Borriello, and eventually Pato all tried to do much with the ball when they had it, and not enough running for each other when they didn’t. This seems to be a growing trend for these gentlemen when they are lined up in the XMAS tree, but when Kaka is slotted in between two strikers it seems that there is a bit more of advanced passing option in and around the box. The bottom line is the XMAS tree doesn’t seem to put this specific set of personnel in a comfort zone capable of scoring goals. It showed against Cagliari, and it showed again today.

By no means was this a game to hang your hat on or call home to mom about it, but in the end we all got what we came for. The next two games, Siena and Napoli, will go a very long way in cementing the Rossoneri’s run to the title. I would expect to Carletto to play two differing lineups to keep the legs fresh, and as much I hate to say it at this early junction of the campaign but the league will really start to polarize. The true contenders will be very close to the top come next Sunday.

Speaking of the league, hats off to Udinese and Napoli for great wins and a share of first place, it seems that both Roman squads are more pretenders than actual contenders. Our old pals Inter dropped points, and it looks Prandelli and his Purple Monsters are finally righting the ship. As I have said the last few weeks, the Serie A is the hot ticket in the world of football and each week is more exciting than the next.

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  • A. |  October 28th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

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    Bonnie said :”I’m not worried about the less-than-stellar play against Atalanta. A team is always going to have a couple of those games a season. I’m just impressed that we could scrape out a win while not giving it our all”

    The trouble is Milan has had more than “a couple” of these already this season: Genoa, Reggina, Cagliari, 60% of Sampdoria, and now Atalanta. This does not augur well for Scudetto chances. This smacks of the kind of erratic form that made them blow a gift wrapped CL place handed to them by the Viola at the end of last season.

    The only convincing performances so far this season have been against Lazio and Inter.

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  • Antonio |  October 28th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

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    Shehan- How can you say we overrated Paloschi? He gave us reason after reason to admire. Awesome goals (remember his first touch of seria a football) and even when he didn’t score, he caused havoc to opposition defences, a hell of a lot more than Gila did.

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  • shehan |  October 28th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

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    fg, WE don’t see them train. WE don’t really know much except their ages; and to suggest we start/play players because of their age is ridiculous. but also, we’ve seen cardacio in the preseason friendlies, and he wasn’t all that and a bag of potato chips. nothing mind blowing.

    but you do bring up a fair point that we are plagued with injuries in the midfield and that is why cardacio has been called up for tomorrow’s game. whether or not he deserves a starting spot depends on carlo, but i wouldn’t be surprised if he gets some minutes in.

    antonio, paloschi has given us plenty of reasons to be happy, but i have no doubt that we have exaggerated his abilities (not necessarily his potential). his preseason was horrible, and he missed plenty of decent scoring opportunities. i would not be happy with him as our 4th striker, because he just can’t cut (as yet atleast). but i do hope he comes back from parma as a better player and can give us more reasons to admire.

    i must admit, his goal 18 seconds after coming on was the highlight of last season for me. watching carlo laughing his ass off on the sideline was a hilarious bonus.

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  • fg |  October 28th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

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    shehan everyones preseason was awful, in fairness. I am not suggesting we start him just because of his age, and i do agree to an extent that we should not start fielding players at every position just based on their birthday. But i think that we need to see what these kids are made of at some point. If they are not all that and a bag of chips then why did we bring them to milan, and the first team to begin with?

    And i consider this game against siena the best chance we are going to get in a while to give players a rest, and see what cardacio is made of. The two just happen to coincide, if we had a better option(not named emerson) than cardacio then i wouldnt be suggesting this.

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  • Gianfranco |  October 28th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

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    Shehan, and anyone else interested…

    My order arrived today from http://www.thefootballshirt.com. The jerseys are fantastic quality, almost impossible to tell if it is real or knock off, with authentic badges and lettering. I ordered a Maldini jersey and a black third jersey with my name on the back and everything is great. Shipping was slow but come to find out it was an issue here stateside and not with the point of origin. Would recommend and will be ordering again for xmas gifts.

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  • Gianfranco |  October 28th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

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    On Cardaccio and any other youngster for that matter we can only have them sit and “learn” for so long. There comes a time when these players need to be given an oppurtunity to prove their worth to the shirt. We should put faith in our scouting system which discovered and raided the likes of Maldini all the way the through the Paloschi. If these players were not worth it then they wouldnt still be here would they? The bottom line for me at least is if we are going to give Emerson 70+ minutes and a player like Cardaccio, or again any other youngster, can perform at the same level maybe better maybe worse, doesnt it make more sense to get the youngster the experience. Doesnt that provide us with more potential yield than playing Emerson!? The idea is give a kid like this time to play in games that aren’t CL, top four Serie A matches. Put them in positions to suceed and let them do what it is they are capable of, if it is crap fine, but if it is magical then we have found the next Kaka.

    My only question is what if someone said “he is not all that and a bag of potato chips” about Maldini all those years ago…

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  • shehan |  October 28th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

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    gian, thanks for the information about the shirts, ill be putting in a couple of orders tonight.

    and gian, Maldini was ‘all that and a bag of potato chips’. he was a child phenom, an early bloomer, a gifted adolescent. similar to pato. Maldini was a starter for Milan at 17 years old!! even messi wasnt that young when he became a first-teamer, fabregas was 18. Maldini was one of a kind. Maldini is one of a kind.

    but i do agree that youngsters should be given ‘more’ chances; but when it comes to risking losing some points? hell no. if we’re up 4-0, then go for it give them some time. if we’re away to atalanta, one of our most difficult away games in the season; i would never take the risk on a youngster like cardacio.

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  • moka |  October 28th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

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    Thanks GF for the info and well said about the youngsters.

    I don’t think we’re gonna risk losing points if Cardaccio starts. He’s a defensive midfielder and he’s the creative type so I doubt he’s gonna be in a position where he’s gonna make us lose some points. I’m not saying Cardaccio is amazing. I just feel he needs to be given the chance. Personally, I would have let him have a few runs for 15-20 minutes when were sure we were gonna win against teams like Cagliari. I am 100% for a gradual integration into the first team. Not as a starter, but as a decent backup.

    I would start Cardaccio against Siena. If he fails to do something, bring on someone else. It’s simple. But I doubt he will fail to impress.

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  • J |  October 28th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

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    we’re playing siena at home tomorrow… i would say that would be a good game to give ‘a cardacio’ a shot at some game time, especially since pirlo dinho seedorf n flamini are all out. if emerson plays tomorrow and this kid doesn’t i’d be gutted! i think it’s about time that we finally get to know this cardacio guy…

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  • J |  October 28th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

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    moka- whoa! we were pretty much thinking along the same lines n typin it at the same time. again i’m all for giving cardacio a chance to start tomorrow. but sadly i feel carletto has different ideas.hope i’m wrong though… tomorrow’s a new day hopefully carlo would change jus a bit… maybe… i hope…

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  • moka |  October 28th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

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    ha J.. great minds think alike. Others think like shehan.

    haha i’m jk. I respect Shehan’s opinions. I like those discussions.

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  • moka |  October 28th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

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    Abbiati, Dida, Antonini, Bonera, Darmian, Favalli, Maldini, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Cardacio, Emerson, Gattuso, Borriello, Inzaghi, Kakà, Pato, Seedorf, Shevchenko.

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  • Ro |  October 28th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

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    http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c291/beutyskooldpout5/ac%20milan/Picture1-1.jpg

    Here you go gian hope you like…even though they all look the same my hunt for the perfect picture takes hours…lol tried to do something cool in photoshop to spice it up a bit didn’t turn out as planned though, maybe next game.

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  October 29th, 2008 at 2:42 am

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    you think you will sign sergio ramos? and i hear that santacroce is a milan fan so is giuseppe rossi if you got them and fabregas you would be unstoppable!

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  • Gianfranco |  October 29th, 2008 at 3:05 am

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    Grossi is a game changer and a true backup to kaka, Santacroce needs polish but I like him. Sergio Ramos is the next Maldini, he will never equal Paolo in skill, but the kid has game.

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  October 29th, 2008 at 3:23 am

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    you think you will sign any of them? i would love to see rossi play with pato upfront. with kaka, ronaldinho, gatusso and pirlo in midfield and of course nesta and ramos in defence! milan are gaining momentum and soon they will be the best team in the world again along with barcelona and liverpool! they are all rising again

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  • Gianfranco |  October 29th, 2008 at 4:32 am

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    I think GRossi and Santacroce are very real options. GRossi is owned by ManU and it may be pricier option dependent on the comings or goings of CRonaldo as well. Rossi can play the CRon role rather nicely as well…he is young, versatile, and very capable so one would like to think that all reasonable would be used to acquire a player like this. But then again I think Rivaldo and Roberto Carlos are free agents next year so I wouldnt be surprised if we expend our efforts on them!!?!?

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  • Gianfranco |  October 29th, 2008 at 4:34 am

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    Shehan, maybe Maldini is the wrong example, but what about Rino. Rino came through the system extremely rough around the edges, in fact there is an ongoing joke that Costacurta tells about Rino in trainign when he first arrived. Whenever he would shoot on goal Sebby Rossi would duck because he knew it wasnt going near the goal. Now by the sounds of that would you have picked Rino to be the engine of this team and help lead them to a CL, or even better a lynchpin in the WC title. I geuss all i want to convey is that at some point you have to give these guys a run out…

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  • moka |  October 29th, 2008 at 5:14 am

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    hahaha Roberto Carlos and Rivaldo. I can so see them in Milan! :P

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  • Bonnie |  October 29th, 2008 at 6:13 am

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    A - I know we’ve had more than our fair share of “off” games, I guess I’m just happy that we’re now actually winning them that I’m choosing to have an overly positive attitude about it all. Probably unwarrented, but I have to believe we’re only getting better.

    I really see both sides of the Cardaccio debate. While I would love Carlo to take a few more chances on youngsters and new signings, I have to believe he’s seeing things in training that we are obviously not privileged to. After all, Flamini’s been integrated into the starting line-up and even Antonini’s getting a suitable amount of playing time, so Carlo’s not incapable of trying new things, he just doesn’t put the importance on it like some of us do.

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  • moka |  October 29th, 2008 at 7:01 am

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    True Bonnie, but next time we’re up 3-0 in a game, and there’s Cardaccio/Viduez/Darmian on the bench, there is absolutely no reason they shouldn’t get a run. If they’re not exposed to a competitive game then, when they will be exposed?

    P.S. why does Milan have a youth academy?

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  • moka |  October 29th, 2008 at 7:06 am

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    Prediction for today’s match: 2-1 Milan.

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  • shehan |  October 29th, 2008 at 7:14 am

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    I completely agree with you gian. but at the same time, i believe the whole process must be slow and full of patience. we dont want to throw cardacio into the proverbial deep end. he hasnt appeared in the league at all this season, and to suggest a start for him would be be extremely extraordinary. i also must admit, i’m not too familiar with gattuso’s history at milan in the sense of his rise into the first team. it would be interesting to know more about it.

    from gazzetta’s predicted formation, it’s a 4-3-1-2 with abbiati, antonini bonera Maldini zambrotta, gattuso ambrosini seedorf, kaka’ inzaghi pato.

    i think its a great lineup. whats even more amazing is Maldini. its his 5th game in the space of 2 weeks, its unbelievable. and seedorf will be starting, so that should be great for us, lets hope he brings his A game, he always does after an injury. also, its good to see that ancelotti might pick antonini over favalli. cardacio and darmian are probably starting on the bench, i doubt we’ll see either of them, as emerson is on the bench. unless we’re up by a bunch of goals, i dont see them coming on in the second half.

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  October 29th, 2008 at 8:21 am

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    maldini is just not human! its amazing to actually be born the same year a player starts playing and just having him around for your entire life it like i know him! and hes the perfect professional he doesnt seem to have an ego or anything (totti etc). along with baresi he is best defender ever and even now when hes 40 hes playing amazing. i was hoping for a juve or even roma scudetto this year but i hope milan get it just for paolo! whats the problem with nesta i thought he was back? you should try for ivanovic in january just buy him outright hes very good and can be a key player for you next few seasons

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  • sesli sohbet |  December 7th, 2008 at 5:48 am

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    selam cok güzel thanks you

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