

Youth vs Experience
By: Gianfranco | February 4th, 2009We have this never ending discussion as Milan fans about age and experience versus youth and pace. In fact it is the underlying thread in almost all our discussions and comments. I myself constantly think about as a fan and as a coach as well. Obviously both age and youth bring something to the table, but the question really becomes what is the best way to go?
Youth is obviously very nice, first and foremost it is cost effective; ask Arsene Wenger and his young guns at Arsenal. Wenger is constantly lowering the age of his squad, buying talent based on potential and parting ways with players that have peaked for a nice profit. His young squad’s are fun to watch, they play with pace, they play with speed, and they play with heart. However, they lack that special something to take them from fun to watch to contenders in each and every competition that they play for, that something is experience. Now you can value and quantify experience however you see fit, but it has to do with playing at the highest level on the biggest stage. That stage can be a European night, a derby, or just meaningful matches for your National team, no matter how you look at it; it is a trait worth having.
On the flipside, you can create a squad filled with 30+ players who have seen just about everything they can see in their careers. Big wins, big losses, big nights, and small, with these players in the lineup you can rest assured that whatever is thrown at them they have not only seen it, but they have dealt with it firsthand. This is the formula that Milan employed in their Champions League run of 2007, with their youngest player being Kaka, who even at that age had lost a CL, won a scudetto, and a World Cup. The underlying idea here being that it is not the age but more or less the road traveled to that magic number.
As our Rossoneri get older, by the minute it seems, we all begin to struggle with the notion of maintaining this strong experience factor while beginning to integrate youth and pace into the lineup of veterans. Historically Milan has always been one of the most efficient breeding grounds of young players, with Maldini, Baresi, Albertini, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Abbiati, Costacurta, and so many more coming up through the ranks and earning their place in some of the greatest squads to ever step on the pitch. Arrigo Sacchi found a way to harness the value of players like Maldini and Albertini at young ages while blending and integrating in foreign talent and game tried talent such as Cafu, Weah, Savijevic, Desailly, and Jaap Staam. However, as these players have aged and moved on the trend at the San Siro has taken a alarming turn towards the wrong side of thirty. Looking at the current starting lineup Kaka, Rino, and Ambro were the only players raised in the system to really break into the side and cement their places in the starting eleven, with Pato being the newest model. The rest of the lineup was brought in at more advanced stages of the career, say 25+ ie Bonera, Pirlo, Seedorf, and even Flamini as an example. There was a time when Milan only bought veterans as compliments to their core of youth system players, and it is the straying away from this system that I find the most difficult to come to grips to with.
First of all the world of football youth systems has changed. Teams are no longer in the business of developing players, sure Arsenal and Barcelona are moving players through the ranks, but when you have teams like ManUnited, Milan, Inter, Chelsea and Real Madrid scouring the pitches of Africa, Portugal, and Brazil for youngsters to bring into the fold the shift from development to purchasing is easy to see and understand. This is not necessarily a negative as it has brought us the likes of Kaka, CRon and Messi but it is a shift that needs to be discussed and understood as we bring this discussion forward.
Also, the idea of “European football” and the money that it brings to the table makes team lean more towards the notion of battle tested players, sure Wenger is the stubborn mule in this bunch, but if you look at the last teams to win the CL, most of them are experienced based teams with a very strong core of aged players and youth mixed it here and there, the exception to this was Porto, but the Special One had a lot to do with this. But Milan, Pool, ManU and Barca all triumphed in Europe with average ages closer to thirty than twenty. It doesn’t take much to look back at CL failures in the past few years such as Roma, Inter, and Arsenal to see that their lack of big game experience may have been their undoing. Inter is funny in the regard as their team was older, but many of those players never saw the later rounds of the CL tourney. The bottom line here is that with experience comes success both domestically and in Europe.
The difference however between a ManU model and the model that we are familiar with at Milan is that Milan has somewhat lost he plan of breeding and adding youth into the squad. Sir Alex has done well with the inclusion of Anderson, Nani, and Tevez, while Milan has failed with the likes of Gourcuff, Gilardino, and most recently Flamini. For all that credit that Sir Alex gets for all his years at ManU, Carletto has done much more in much less time at Milan and doesn’t get nearly the accolades his ManU counterpart receives. Their systems are very similar and their styles are as well, but where does Carletto falter where Sir Alex? For me it is quite simple, and boils down to one simple thing trust.
Let’s take a look at Kaka and Ambrosini as an example, both of these players were groomed and integrated into the squad at an early age. Kaka was groomed by the likes of Rui Costa while Ambrosini was worked alongside the likes of Albertini. The players were taught by some of the best in the business, but given a longer leash to play come in and make mistakes. They were also brought in with little to no fanfare and worked into the squad. Now you look at Gilardino and Gourcuff who were brought in as “big transfers,” with this come expectations and pressure and you know have a system in which a player has a much more difficult time succeeding. Gila was put directly into the mixer, staring eleven and expected to do what he did so many times before at Chievo and Parma, that was to score goals in bunches. We all forget that Gila was not raised in the Milan system, he was not familiar with the club or its ways and traditions instead he was put in the deep end and asked to swim. This is partly due to the media but also the pressure surrounding the new globalized win now world of football. Gourcuff was not all that different, and now that the games are less intense and the spotlight is less critical he has found a way to thrive.
I am big believer in earning your keep and accolades as a player and I don’t believe in just sticking a guy in there and asking him to make magic. Don’t try to tell me a player is elite after one good year in Serie A. A player needs to be nurtured and given a chance a to succeed so when in hindsight Gilardino and Gourcuff were failures, and the trend at Milan, outside of Pato may continue this way unless the system is altered. My biggest example for this is going to be Antonini. Antonini is a product of the Milan system that has produced arguably some of the best defenders in the World, that has to count for something. Instead of giving him his chance and working him into matches be it against Lecce or Juvenuts, he is given junk minutes and put into to situations where he makes little to no impact or has little to no chance to prove his worth. Sure Milan has the pleasure of Zambro and Janks, but as these players advance in age their reliance on them should be lowered and the inclusion and blending of Antonini should be started. This is especially true when Carletto instills trust in a player like Favalli who at 37 has very little upside to this team in the future, understand that Favalli has value and has proved his worth as a good soldier but doesn’t it make more sense to blend Antonini than give minutes to Favalli? It is this loss of trust in a youngster that negatively impacts his development but also makes another young player think twice when they are in the Milan ranks. Pato has proven as the shining exemption to the norm, but as this team moves forward, be it with Carletto or not, this idea of trust that gave us players like Rino, Maldini, and Ambrosini needs to return or Milan will continue this battle against the clock.
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subs: Janks, Inzaghi, Antonini, Dida [heaven forbid if anything was to happen to Abbiati, but gotta be safe]
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as I said, Greg, the man can finish. And that’s all I’ll give him. Clearly you need me to spell it out for you. Other than his ability to score the occasional late goal he is an absolutely useless player – even more useless than Shevchenko.
And speaking of Sheva, I didn’t lose respect for him for leaving (and then flopping in England). He wasn’t going to stay in Milan forever, and everyone needs a new challenge. It’s the fact that he came back (after flopping in England), and it makes me think that either he thought he could just come waltzing back like nothing happened, or he’s only at Milan because they are the only club that would pay him the wages that he’s accustomed to (but no longer deserves based on actual value). The more I think about it, the more Milan appears to be a team full of midfielders with scant little of anything else. Defense is reasonably well-manned, but beyond Pato, Milan have absolutely no reliable depth up front…
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Fresh off of the Steelers win last sunday, I thought I might throw in some of Coach Tomlin’s words that are relevant to Milan as well…”Throw style points out the window – only the result matters”
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Greg, Inzaghi does not dive, he’s just an offside machine, get it right.
I’m sure you really glide through the water with no body hair.
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well on the brighter side we’ve got a few new folks posting here…sadly some of them seem like trolls to me..
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Enough. Roma fans please confine yourself to commenting on the Roma page. We are really not interested in this stupid senseless argument.
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Harry don’t sweat them, I learned a valuable lesson, just ignore and they go away
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Ha I meant garry, my bad
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Inzaghi isn’t a “useless” player (one of the most profilic scorers in the game ever, I doubt defenders would underestimate him and let him score on a costant basis). Otherwise I agree with shingai for the most part. Talent alone is not enough a great deal ofmental strength is required to take a good player into an worldclass status. Gila for all his faults is a good player. He needs that secondary sriker like Mutu to get him to score. Plus maybe he couldn’t handle the insane pressure that comes with playing for Milan. I wish him well and don’t hold a grudge against him. As for Gourcuff I don’t consider him a failure yet. He wasn’t playing as well as he is this year, before when he was in France. I think if there is a chance we oughta get him back and I think he has what it takes to play the present Seedorf and Beckham positions in the long run.
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age is all relative in football. everything is based on the skill and the mentality of a player. the age doesn’t matter.
in regards to the de rossi vs. essien debate, i think they are two players who interpret the same role differently. but since essien never passes the ball outside of a 10 meter radius, i would pick a more complete player like de rossi any day of the week. my 2 cents…
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Did somebody call Inzaghi ‘useless’? that’s beyond funny, even now…portsmouth, uefa cup anyone? Might as well put him in the bag with Ronaldinho and kiss the top half of the table goodbye as you throw them into the river. Oh, sometimes you wonder, funny old game eh?
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Ignorant people will call Inzaghi useless. He is amazing. Frustrating at times,but classic.
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Huh, i read comments and keep asking myself am i on wrong blog.
lol to fg and his perfect comment: this is stupid. i hate internet.
Gianfranco, you are doing a great job. It’s a pleasure to read your thoughts, and comments from most of the regular visitors (only if people realise that Seedorf is very, very, VERY important for us, but we all have our favorites)
Something to cheer up before saturday night game, and before victory
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realise—>realize
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Superior that is awesome thanks for sharing the link
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Inzagi is not useless by all means, he is not a technical genuis or dribbler either but at the positional sense of a foward and his ability to get a goal when it matters most he cannot be matched. 07 CL final over liverpool just proves my point. Inzaghi= genio. his predatory sense is the sole reasom this guy has so many goals>> he is the model king poacher!
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once Inzaghi has a season where he plays 45 games and scores 42, then I’ll start conversations about him being one of the most prolific ever. As I said, the man can finish.
But Inzaghi is also very wasteful. His defenders will point to his numerous offsides as proof of how closely he plays the margins, and it often has paid off because he has scored quite a few. But setting records for offsides says more about a lack of efficiency than anything – there are players who have better goal ratios who are offside far less frequently. And every through ball where he might have been clear but was called offside is a wasted chance. Add the fact that he is absolutely useless outside of the opponents’ penalty area (he can’t really dribble, he’s not fast, he’s not strong, he’s not a great passer, and he’s not good in the air), and you get a player that contributes nothing if he’s not scoring. And he’s had barren patches in his career, most strikers do (unless they are named Ronaldo or van Nistelrooy). His inclusion in the starting 11 decreases the versatility of the formation sinceUltimately, as many of you may have guessed, I have absolutely no respect for divers. And truly, a bit of the football fan died in me when Italy won the world cup in 06. I was ambivalent towards the team in the group stage, but that ridiculous Grosso dive against Australia that was rewarded with a game winning penalty made me downright angry. Not that France was much better, with Henry of all folks diving to win the call against Spain and again against Portugal, while Malouda hammed it up to win the penalty in the final.
Call me a traditionalist, but Men’s football is a man’s sport. I played football (and rugby too) – I know that most of those fouls that have players rolling around “in pain” and stretchered off don’t actually hurt. And even when they do the inability to suck up a little bit of pain is disgusting. Growing up in the US, its hard to defend this sport to fans of American football or rugby when players make so much drama out of a kick to the shins when a rugby player or American football player might dislocate a shoulder or break a limb and still keep a straight face. And honestly, its just getting worse – football is getting to a point where players are playing for calls rather than fighting through challenges (the way guys like Messi or Eto’o do). Even Gattuso goes easily down when, if we’re honest, he could keep going.
A lot of you make a big fuss about how Milan is “selling its soul” with this Beckham business and transfer policy, when the players have long since sold the soul of the game with bullshit theatrics in an attempt to win a call. A lot of you complain about how refs negatively influence the game, when you fail to see how your own players, your own heroes, tailor their games to put the refs in that position (by diving, by whining to refs about calls they don’t like instead of just immediately accepting the call and moving on, by blaming refs for losses instead of manning up and simply accepting the imperfections in their own play).
I’ll be honest, I’ve been following Mike Tomlin of the Steelers ever since he became coach, and I greatly admire his attitude and his approach. After games, especially after losses, he ALWAYS congratulates the winning team and then proceeds to identify where his team could have done better, and gives credit to the opponent when it is deserved. There is never even any mention of the refs or field condition or anything that his team has no control over, and never any excuses. Name me a football coach with that same attitude. To a tee they all defend the petulant, childish antics of their players and attack refereeing decisions, offering all kinds of excuses for the half-ass performances of their overpaid, underdisciplined players. If you ask me, football sold its soul a long time ago to the egos of its players.
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Nice post Shingai…
if im not mistake,maro and roma shield is from the serie a forum rite??
can we all just be friends??
maro is a milan fan at serie a forum rite?? and roma shield also contribute new update about milan and providing link at serie a forum…hm….
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shingai: the number of offsides is the reason why Inzaghi is a special player. True he wasted a lot of chances, but that’s his style. Nobody plays on the edge like Pippo does. His style is saying: “Hey, I know my technique isn’t that good, but I work for full 90 minutes and I’ll make you guard me for the full 90 minutes, or else…” I love it. I don’t quite agree if somebody calls Pippo a ‘diver’. Typically, there’s some contact when he falls down. Unlike, for example, CR7 who sometimes fall down without any contact whatsoever.
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The one reason I want Beckham to come to Milan,is to make the Serie A more marketable. I have not seen a Serie A game on TV for 3 years. With beckham coming(and ronaldinho being there too),Tv channels might buy rights for Italian games. So I am hopeful.
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Shingai as always you make a top class point, but where u blame the players I blame the game. Refs need to punish dives and until that happens players will continue to test and push the limits.
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Shing, shing, shing!
Your spot on regarding players who dive when they could easily have carried on
I applauded the ref when he carded Kaka 4/5 matches ago for trying to get a penalty!
IMO he could have stayed on his feet and made an attempt on goal
But you are overlooking a significant point which is when a player feigns injury to break the tempo of the other team, its a long used (and very good) tactic
If you are playing away from home and right from the kick off the other team is swarming you, one of your players hits the deck, everyone stands around, he gets stretchered off, goes back on and later some other player does the same
This helps the team to disrupt the momentum of the opponents as well as allowing the team to start imposing themselves in the game
Remember, football doesnt have timeouts like some american sports, so a player rolling around the ground is a good time for the coach to make tactical changes and to transmit these to the players as they all take a quick drink on the sidelines.
But you totally lost me when u took shots at Pippo!
He’s a PAOCHER and every1 knows this, so comparing him to Ronnie & Van Nistelroy is a bit meaningless as is pointing out the fact that he gets caught offiside every 5 seconds…….
HE’S A POACHER!!!!!!!!!
At no point will any coach ask him to go out and play deep, u kno when he goes out he will be nudging against the offside trap the whole match
I watched him on Wednesday night and he pretty much sandwiched himself between the two rangers CBs the whole time he was on the pitch and they were terrified to leave his side, the only reason we didn’t capitalise on this was coz he was paired with Shev he kept dropping deep into the midfield for some reason!
He’s one of the CLs highest scorer ever scorers man! That fact alone makes him prolific!
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avia, not only is he a poacher he is one of the best that has ever plied the trade!
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yeah,avia is right. i believe its called furbizia in Italy. Someone had written a nice article about it.
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furbizia???
never heard of that Ranjeet
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