

Should He Stay or Should He Go?
By: Gianfranco | March 4th, 2009I am about to do the unthinkable, I am going to do my best to step up to the plate and defend Carletto. I know it won’t be easy, and I cant even sit here and tell you I agree with everything I am about to say, but I am going to throw some facts out there, make some comparisons and in the end leave you with my simple questions in the title.
Our dearest Carletto has been with us since 2001, giving him eight years at the helm. In those eight years he was won two CL titles, appeared in three finals, and led Milan to a scudetto, Club World Cup, Uefa SuperCup, Italian Cup, and Italian Supercup. Not to mention for those of us who cite his player development flaws, he coached two eventual golden ball winners and one runner up in his reign. So know that you have a digested a massive roster of achievements you can begin to compare him to the likes of SAF and Arsene Wenger. Sure SAF has been at ManU for twenty plus years and his legacy is glorious, but at Carletto’s current clip he would need a bus to haul away all the trophies if he was at Milan for that long. Yes Wenger has put Arsenal in the CL every year he has been on their bench, and had arguably one of the greatest season in EPL history, but after that his achievements fall off the table. So if Carletto does go, the likelihood of replacing him with someone of this caliber is slim, so like many Arsenal fans who call for Wenger’s head it is important to ask yourself could we do better than our current guy? You could always do worse…
Back to Carletto for a moment, a few weeks ago his supposed “summer wish list” went public. It was nothing extravagant, it had some big name strikers on their with Eto being prominent, but also some youngish Italian type players like Nocerino, a big surprise, and Palombo, who Carletto still seems to have an eye for. Now I don’t know how much I believe the list, especially consider that it is after the fact and burn on Uncle Fester, you can’t help but feel for a guy who is proverbially “playing someone else’s cards.” On a smaller scale, I pick and coach my own players for my team, I fit them into a nice neat little puzzle of eleven and then I chose my ten subs accordingly, if I fail it rests on me. If Carletto fails, he needs to shoulder some blame, but we also have to consider his selections he is working with, not even beginning to consider the injuries he has had to endure. As a whole the Milan roster contains very specialized players for specific inclusions and situation, Pirlo plays deep that’s it, Gattuso plays towards the right, Janks on the left, Ronaldinho stands still on the left half way between the end line and half line, Kaka roams free towards the box, and Becks plays the right period. So what happens when injuries strike, or poor form hits, and you are left with tasks/roles that go unfulfilled and players not versatile enough to fill those roles, it causes big problems, and Carletto, Milan, and the tifosi are knee deep in these problems right now. Case in point, we have dropped points late, and oddly enough Carletto has made moves that make you scratch your head why Dinho and not Flamini, why Favalli and not Pippo. These are blames that rest solely on his shoulders, but as a fan we don’t know what the mood, feel, or even discourse of a certain players at the time of the sub so we make assumptions. The big issue I find though is that these are professional footballers, and they are “old” enough (I guess meant the pun there) to know that the situation calls for a specific function be it possession, dragging the ball to the corner, lateral and backward passes, and so on. If we are up one goal, and Pippo is brought on board, he should know he has to bring the ball to corner and possess, he shouldn’t attempt ten step overs and be disposed for a counter, correct? Go ahead and apply that logic to others, I don’t mind, I just wanted to show that it could be spread around…
So yes we can lambast Carletto, call for his head, but in the end are we that much better off. Maybe we need to clamor for Fester to listen to his coach or to spend money the right way. Maybe we need Berlu to step in and say enough is enough, but neither is looking all that likely. Rijkaard is not the answer, and his soap opera with Dinho will only cause us more problems. Leonardo, Baresi, and Costacurta are not even close to the level needed at Milan, and the last you want is a coach with growing pains in charge. Coaching the Rossoneri is a pressure cooker, and no average Joe can take on that job, you have to succeed, and I would much rather a man that can, that a man that never has…at this point and time I am frustrated with Carletto, the players, and more importantly Uncle Fester. But in the end I am a Rossonero Tifosi and I am not going to quit on them now, and I am not going to quit on Carletto either. We can’t go through a coaching carousel like we did from 96-2001 before Carletto again. I mean we can, I just prefer not to, let’s ride this out, focus on top three, and get behind this guy he has given us far too much to give up that quickly.
FYI, I am doing my best to crank out posts, and do so close to the theme of the comments, but lately there has been so much to digest. Your discussions are excellent, and if I miss points or you want to take something further please shoot me an email acmilan[at}theoffside.com and I will wrap a post around it. Also the next two months I am completing my coaching certification classes and have to attend and run many training sessions to gain my certificate, if I fall off the face of the earth here or there I apologize, but I promise to always have a match post, Maldini Monday and recap post. The inbetween may be up to you, and you guys are already stellar at it. Thanks again.
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id put prandeli on the list, but i dont know if he would leave la viola
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alessio – for all intents and purposes Milan HAS youth but appear to have the opposite philosophy to Juve as to how to use it
Y’know it’s funny to hear this from the outside, because a lot of Juventini think it’s criminal how little our youth are playing. I’d love to see Giovinco play more, but Marchisio cemented a starting-spot and De Ceglie was playing pretty frequently before injuring himself spectacularly.
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But you guys are right….I don’t see Gallani leaving. But something needs to change his mind, this summer the mercato was just wrongly, wrongly done. You would have thought a 5th-place finish would have convinced him.
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Juve spent a season in Serie B, forcing it to depend on youth players more. Im not saying that Milan should be relegated –god forbid– but it seems to be a much more difficult compromise.
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alessio – At least guys like Giovinco are made to think they at least have a future in the club and that they are needed for the future!
Galliani’s departure would only follow after a sale of the club by Berlo imo
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we are not losing Fester, though at this point I would applaud the move, but it doesnt mean he can’t change his mentallity and if he doesnt then we wont survive as a team and his end will come quicker than we think if that is the case.
As for Rijkaard Shehan, I dont buy it, he had a GREAT team to put on the pitch and in terms of tactics and formations he didnt really have one, it was free form and there is nothing wrong with that, but I don’t think he is a “great footballing mind.” Plus if he had been so coveted, he would have a job by now.
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Alessio,a fifth place finish convinced him to buy(whether good or crap). Maybe we need to finish 15th for him to return to his senses.
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Alessio, it’s not quite that Juve play their youth so much, (I’ve rarely seen Giovinco playing) it’s that they really take care of them, keep them, use them well when they’re needed, raise them up into proper, skilled calciatori and then when they get older they’re integrated into the first team and have a real understanding with the other players they’ve been “raised” with. I think that’s a huge part of what makes Juve such a great team.
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gian, just because hes unemployed at the moment does not mean hes not ’so coveted’.
hes actually got so many offers that he can pick and choose which one he likes. you hear of rijkaard getting offers once or twice a month.
i somewhat agree that he had a great team to help him. but he pulled barca out of a rut and created the core of world beaters that they are today. but for somebody whose opinions are based on the end product [/results], i would’ve thought that you would hold him in a higher esteem. (does that make sense? i have feeling my grammar is wrong at the end of the last sentence, my bad!)
afterall, 2 league titles and 1 CL in 3 years (or was it 4?) is an exemplary record.
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I think Rijkaard is tactically naive, and his time at Barca made him a bit confident in his own system. When that system floundered, so did the team, and it led to his eventual demise. I do agree it is tough to argue with the results, but I just think in Italy this guy would be eaten alive, can you imagine if he tried to play that free flowing opffensive amoeba that he used at Barca in Italy? Those players would get clattered and fouled until their legs were broke. That system relied heavily on the strength of Eto and the speed and finesse of Dinho, Milan has neither nor, and therefore Rijkaard would have to reinvent himself to make it work. Again not saying it isnt possible, but would prefer if that type of “growing pain/growth period” be done at another club, which makes it hard for me to even consider guys like the Don, Tassotti, Leonardo and so on, they have a lot to learn. If I had to make a god’s honest pick right now I would take Mancini before any of the names on the plate, at least we know what he can and can’t do and where he can improve….
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Mike – “it’s that they really take care of them, keep them, use them well when they’re needed, raise them up into proper, skilled calciatori and then when they get older they’re integrated into the first team and have a real understanding with the other players they’ve been “raised” with”
well said Mike, its the total opposite of our clueless approach to keeping a squad ticking over and Juve is the template i’d prefer to see (sigh)
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Gian – lol, it reads just as true if u make two changes to what you said before;
“I think CARLO is tactically naive, and his time at MILAN made him a bit confident in his own system. When that system floundered, so did the team, and it led to his eventual demise”
hehe ;-p
Sorry, couldnt resist!
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a good example of this Avia could be Ronaldo’s influence on Pato. say all you want about his frequent Injuries but him being there did wonders for Alex in terms of maturing & development. The same goes for Del Piero and Giovinco at Juve, there needs to be more of this here at Milan. why shouldnt youngsters like Gourcuff, Paloschi stick around and learn from Pirlo and Pippo while they get the occasional last 15 minutes in game time to groom the skills, why dont the youngsters avaible ever start a game?
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is kaka and dinho out of the ATALANTA game.
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Please, im begging you Fester..noo Ancelotti stay, Riijkard or Donadoni. please bring in a fresh good manager that will start this team over from scratch with new Ideals, transfer policy & better tactics. also should be able to win games while containing pressure and carefully implementing youth. to be honest with you i cant think of any manager in the market right now that can fulfill these grueling tasks. it would also be usefull if he knows how to win a Scudetto.
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Milan 4 Life, i think Ronaldinho’s avaible he made a brief appearance in the Al-Saad game i think..might be wrong though.
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gian, you can use the same argument to say that rijkaard took the best components of what he had at hand (the type of players he had) and blended them into a great free-flowing footballing team.
although i would be very interested to see coaches who are known for attacking (rijkaard, ancelotti, even guardiola) mindsets or coaches with defensive mindsets (mourinho, benitez) be in charge of players that are complete opposite. so basically, it would be interesting to see mourinho in charge of a technically gifted squad like milan’s or barcelona’s (to see if he would take a defensive approach) or if you put ancelotti or rijkaard in charge of a team that is more physical and industrious (chelsea, inter etc.).
i would hypothesize that the coaches’ mentality would change completely to the style of the players they have at hand.
my ultimate point is that rijkaard created a system that fit the technically gifted players he had, and if he came to milan he would find an equally gifted team that just needs a kick up the behind, which i believe he is more than capable of.
(i hope that made sense, it was a complicated thought process to write down!)
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Avia “clueless” is exactly right. You can’t just buy a bunch of (old) superstars, throw them onto the pitch and expect them to play well together.
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Mike – to me Carlo makes a bad situation WORSE
ok, its Galliani putting together the squad but Carlo who then mismanages the available pool of players?
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from what i read it seems like R80’s problem is no longer the injury but lack of fitness owing to minimal training over the past month. i don’t see how that problem is going to get fixed between now and the end of the season as match fitness requires playing time and he ain’t going to get that under Ancelotti. another wasted year for this once great player…
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fifaguy,
I dont see that problem is going to get fixed when the guy played consistently for 5 months and still couldnt manage to get some form of match fitness.
You cant blame dinho’s inability to get match fit on Ancelotti. No matter how hard you try. He has tried to get him to regain match fitness by letting him play consistently like he did in the first 4 months. And then through the december training camp. And dinho still couldnt care enough to get match fit.
He then put him on the bench, hoping that will spur him to to put more effort in training. That didnt work. Then he got injured and as a result of which, lost even more fitness.
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i agree, k, that something is f–d up with ronaldinho, however i also think that ancelotti has not dealt with the situation very well. maybe only a soccer shrink could…
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Our players stink and have no chemistry.
Pato is the only one putting in a consistant effort every game. Say what you want Carlo, Galiani & Berlu are all at fault.
Berlu – Cause he doesn’t want to part with the money. The player needed would come, but we would have to part with some cash. That’s all Berlu has to do in the equation hand over the cash. If can’t he way he used to…time to sell buddy.
Galiani – For the most part he’s negociated well over the years for players. He normally gets his man. But recently has been hamstrung by Berlu’s unwillingness to part with cash. Having said that I don’t think that he is on the same page as Carlo when it comes to which players are needed. His real problem is that the guy just talks too much. He talks more than a sixteen year old girl whose just got invited out to the prom by her the captain of the football team. His takes/opinions on certain players, certain wins and/or losses are foolish. He says the worse things at the worse times. Keep your mouth shut if you don’t have anything intelligent to say Fester.
Carlo – This guy is an arrogant, conceeded, know it all. That’s why he’s been successful and that’s why he SHIT right now. Since Fester hasn’t been given the money from Berlu to get the player Carlo REALLY wants. Carlo has no choice but to work with what he given. And since you get what you pay for, we’ve had to endure 3 Serie A seasons of total failure. I’m confident that if he got the players he asked for, Carlo wouldn’t look as bad as he does. But what Carlo does have to realize is that playing his favourites players who were in their prime in the 2000/01 season won’t cut it. We’re playing shit, so I don’t get Y he just doesn’t mix it up and try some youth once in a while. These are little things that can be done that could pay huge returns if he just trys it. but he’s sooooooo stuck in with his team of “champions” that he makes it far too hard for anyone youngsters to crack the starting 11.
My point is the entire triad of Berlu, Galiani & Carlo are at fault for where we are. Each head of this 3 headed monster all have issues. But in my mind it starts at the top. If Berlu hands over the money to Galiani and he keeps his mouth shut and can wheel and deal to get the players Ancelotti wants, Ancelotti will most likely get back to his winning ways.Posted from
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Ancelotti may have taken Milan to Championships in the past but these past couple of years with aging and injured defenders, coupled with his strange assessment of talent has exposed Ancelotti as either a mediocre or stupid manager. Most Milan fans understand this guy has got to go in order for the Rossoneri to get an injection of new ideas and youth. Does anyone know how well Viudez or Darmian, or any of the other young players in the side are developing? Maybe Galliani is stupid also. But a coaching change is necessary or else there will be more misery. The quality in the Milan side both at the manager level and the player level is sub standard. New defenders are needed. Are Milan out of money? Kaladze was Ancelotti’s favorite pet for most of the season no matter how many mistakes the defender made. Senderos is no answer and neither is Bonera or Favalli. T Silva will not be enough and sadly Nesta’s career may be over. There are many good young defenders in Serie A like Chiellini, Santacroce, and Criscito. The midfield needs players with pace and grit and imagination. Ronaldinho needs to play instead of Seedorf. Attack needs other options beyond Pato. Without Kaka and Ronaldinho in the lineup, defenders can mark Pato to death like Sampdoria. I hope Ancelotti has begun packing his bags. Forza Milan!
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Ronaldinho fitness? This is media rubbish. Did anyone watch Ronaldinho in the Italy-Brazil friendly? He was brilliant as usual. I wonder if Ancelotti was watching. Even in the Milan side, when Ronnie is playing guys are getting fantastic passes. He’s doing what he gets paid to do on the wing. It’s the quality of the team as a whole that is the problem. If you think Ronaldinho is so out of fitness, is Seedorf really a better option? Seriously, Ancelotti doesn’t know how to handle Ronaldinho. Ancelotti has been very loyal to Seedorf and Kaladze. But now he is just a buffoon.
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