He Will be Missed…
By: Gianfranco | December 9th, 2008I had this long drawn out post cooked up discussing the sale of Ronaldinho and his effect on the Rossoneri and so on. But the news of the Gattuso injury really put a damper on my mood and my spirits. The whole Ronaldinho thing seems trivial know considering that the single most important player to this squad thus far is now out for six months. The engine, the enforcer, the vice-captain, the pitbull, and the man who is been the difference maker for the Rossoneri making close games winnable and victories possible. Granted he was not going to be in the starting eleven against Juventus because of yellowcards, and you could see the regret on his face when carded. Whereas he may have shown some guilt and frustration he didn’t show pain, because I remember quite vividly when he went down and his right leg pulled under him. He got up and continued to play, and that may pride may have cost him the season.
I can sit here and cry about it, and the same goes for the Rossoneri, or they can galvanize. Ambrosini will be back soon to fill some of the void. Flamini, so aptly compared to Rino, can show us what he is made of. Lastly, the right flank will be a little less crowded when a certain crossing specialist arrives in Milan. This is a terrible loss, but good teams press forward, teammates step up, and games continue to be won.
But as always we will miss the fire…
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no, you misunderstood me. i meant that my comment was laced with sarcasm.
my INITIAL point was when did a club of milan’s stature become a feeder club to other teams? when did we start buying players on cheap and selling them for extra profit 1 season later? the answer is we never became a feeder club, and we never will become one (most probably not, never say never).
i know just as well that teams like juve and man utd. are on major stock exchanges. very similar to girondins bordeaux, as they will have a real problem coming up with the money to buy gourcuff from us. it would definitely break their transfer fee record by a big margin.
my point is that milan isnt a club who sells its players to come up with extra funds for more players. it has never been done before at milan, and i seriously doubt it will be done anytime soon.
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ah, I see, my mistake.
However, your perception of feeder club seems distorted. CSKA Moscow is a feeder club of Chelsea. There is a close relationship, symbiotic relationship between clubs – due in their case to having the same owner. Pretty much all big clubs have this kind of relationship with a lower division club, or a club in a lesser league. In return for options on certain players, big clubs farm out their young talent to the smaller club. That is a feeder system.However, no club, not even Chelsea, has bottomless pockets. Players capable of fetching 20-30-40Million + are frequently sold by big clubs to make room for a squad overhaul or to fuel the purchase of additional new players. Man United did this with Beckham, more or less, Barcelona did it with Figo and Saviola, Inter did it with Ronaldo (they would have kept him if they could have afforded to ignore the transfer value), Milan did it with Kluivert. All big clubs have done it at some point
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Now we don’t even have Bonera he’s injured too? Am I the only one that didn’t know this?
“Bonera goes under the knife” from channel four here is the link
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/dec11l.html
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This by the way has to be the best quote from Lippi ever about Gattuso and how he thinks that Rino will be back before 6 months.
“When a player takes a month to recover from an injury, Gattuso takes 15 days,” Lippi told Sky Sport Italia.
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Looking forward to the real derby d’Italia this weekend guys…one of the best parts about is I’ve always thought it’s one of the least bitter “grudge” matches in Serie A. I respect the hell outta you guys. Let’s hope for another entertaining match like last time. (and of course, a Juve win!)
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Exactly shehan as i said in past we never sell our stars after one season in order to get cash.And one more thing shingi manchester united didnt sell beckham for money,ferguson sold him cause he became higher than club himself.And thats the clue.When player becomes higher than club they immediatly sell him.Thats fergi’s policy.
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so the story goes pera. But if that were true, wouldn’t they have offloaded CRonaldo after the drama of this past summer? When did Beckham ever act so unprofessional, disloyal, and disrespectful to his club? There’s clearly more behind the story of his transfer than what we’ve been told
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I always thought the Beckham transfer was a straightforward rational economic decision by Man Utd. Beckham was no longer irreplaceable for United (either as a player or a marketing icon), and the amount that Madrid offered was significantly more than their internal valuation (and what others had offered). The sale also reduced pressure on their salary structure.
From that point of view, the difference with their approach to CRonaldo over the summer is that they felt he was actually irreplaceable on the pitch (even if they signed Berbatov) and that they had yet to exhaust his marketing potential (one needs to keep in mind that the marketing value of any single player tends to deteriorate once he has spent an extended time with the same club, a change of club (and equipment manufacturer, recall that Beckham was an adidas player on a Nike club at Man Utd) always offers the possibility of a “bounce” in this respect).
What I don’t get about this discussion is the underlying assumption that Ronaldinho’s market value is significantly higher than what Milan paid in the fall. I simply don’t think that there is any real evidence for that claim, notwithstanding his relatively impressive performances to date.
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I just wanted to take a minute to say that regular posting will resume tomorrow, I had a laptop crash, bought a new computer, and finally and back on board with a computer at home, not just work. I am also working with Alessio at the Juventus offisde for a collaborative Vero Derby D’Italia match preview post.
Wanted to mention the Silva rumor is in fact more and more a reality, and the price is very very good considering the parties involved. Brazilian CB’s have never had much like at Milan, I only hope Silva is the exception and not the norm.
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There will always be a buyer willing to pay a mint for a player like Ronaldinho based on “name value.” Manchester City comes to mind. That said, I don’t think his level of fitness is such that many clubs would be interested at this time.
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Exactly, Man. City are the only team that will pay for him. They were offering 32m pounds for him(we got him for 18). If they are willing to pay 35 or 40m pounds,we should cash in. I have repeated the last statement in my last 4 posts.
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barcelona would sell laporta if the price is right. everything is sell-able at barcelona. look at how they kicked ronaldinho out the back door. it was disgraceful on their part
beckham’s time at man.utd was over, ferguson didnt like him anymore, and while they got a bit of money from his sale, that wasnt the main factor as to why they let him go.
from what i recall, kluivert was one of our greatest flops. i don’t think we sold him for the money, but just to get him of our books. milan reject became barca star…
as for c.ronaldo, i still can’t believe that ronaldo has fergusons panties in a bunch. ferguson will be retiring in less than 2 years (most likely), and the old fart that he is, he’ll want to put on a show. he needs the best players to put on a show, and obviously c.ronaldo is a quality player no doubt. 5 years ago, ferguson would’ve publicly hanged c.ronaldo and sent him to the reserves for the ungrateful fuck he was being. but ferguson has changed his philosophy to preserving his legacy rather than looking out for the club, and as a result man.utd kept c.ronaldo.
but all of this is relative to my point that milan has never sold a star FOR MONEY. shevchenko was a unique case, the mofo wanted to leave so we kicked his ass all the way out of here. now hes crawled back with his tail between his legs and hes getting what he deserves, the stamp of the wooden bench on his ass. its pure pity, thats the only reason hes on the team. and its a warning to any player at milan, look what happens when you leave milan especially when everybody loves you and adores you. this love can’t be found anywhere else. this club breathes and bleeds loyalty, selling something for a profit is something that pimps do. milan is no pimp. we are fucking kings. our players love us, and we love them. we won’t betray them, and 99% of them won’t betray us.
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So what is the deal with Kaka? Is he injured too?
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My understanding of the Beckham transfer was that it was an amicable parting of ways of a team and a player that were both looking for new challenges and new directions. Beckham and SAF have done nothing but speak highly of each other and their past. Beckham has always been a player who seems to seek a new challenge, albeit his reason for the seeking are sometimes green, but his move to Madrid was one of the most genuine, non rumor filled transfer I have ever seen, or as Ursus plainly put it, straightforward with little no BS.
Urusus, on a side note, do you know if the EU player rules of UEFA come from UEFA or are forced upon them by the EU. I have been searching tirelessly for more info but can’t seem to find the answer to my question?
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gian, the homegrown rules are actually against EU policy. because the EU is basically about having no-nationality issues within europe, so the player rules are directly from uefa. UEFA actually wants more stringent rules, but EU is having none of it.
i’m not exactly sure though, and i could be wrong.
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Well I know for example my Uncle who runs a business in Italy is not allowed to hire non-EU, I dont know how closely he adheres, but for some reason or another I was in the belief that the EU did it to stop under table non-EU labor flooding the job market.
I could also be wrong…
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On Selling Dinho: Seems to me that all recent indications are that Man City have moved on from their interest in Ronaldinho over the summer to the likes Buffon, Villa and a host of others; if they are the only possible buyer, you don’t have much of a market.
Gianfranco: Shehan is right (about this, and wrong about Ronaldinho’s sale being disgraceful). The UEFA rules are UEFAs; they have to be in accordance with European law in order to be enforceable, which is why the current rules focus on training rather than nationality and why “6+5″ and its variants have yet to be enacted (the compatability of the versions proposed by Blatter and Platini with curent European law is questionable at best).
Your uncle’s situation reflects Italian immigration and right to work laws, which have been made more stringent in recent years. As a member of the EU, Italy is not able to prevent citizens of other EU states from living or working here (free movement of labour within the Union is one of the cornerstones of EU law); they can (and do) make it rather difficult for non-EU nationals (though not impossible, as my own situation proves).
Johonna, the “Kaka is hurt” story seems to have been one of those “let’s try to get people excited on a cold and gray Friday afternoon” things. It’s already been retracted; he’s going to play.
BTW, I am in the unusual situation of wishing you guys luck this weekend. Please do the rest of the country a favour and beat them like a drum.
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ursus as always many thanks and glad to have you in our corner
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I believe the EU rules Gianfranco is referring to is imposed by the Lega Calcio.
The homegrown rules, the 4+4, is put in by Uefa and it only applies to Uefa rules. It avoids discriminating against fellow Europeans, as someone mentioned, by talking about where you trained as opposed to what nationality you are.
Juventus have a couple Tunisian and Moroccoan (?) players in the Primavera, but they will count as homegrown players as far as Uefa is considered should they make it to the first-team and play in Uefa competitions.
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The rules about signing non-EU players are (I’m pretty sure) from the Lega Calcio. I can’t remember exactly what it is, but I think it’s you can transfer two non-EU players per season, unless the player comes from within Italy. (Ie- Amauri->Juve doesn’t take one of our slots)
Sheva was one of yours…..not sure who the other one is, if there is a 2nd non-EU transfer spot. Dinho has Spanish citizenship, so it wouldn’t be him. Maybe one of the young players, Cardacio?
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Can’t disagree with you shehan and Gianfranco about the Beckham transfer. But I disagree that Milan has never sold a player “for money.” I don’t really see the negative connotation that you find in that, shehan. No club sells a player just to have cash to make a chair out of. A club with competitive ambitions reinvests that money in new players, or in bigger stands to generate greater revenue in order to buy better players. Milan did that with the Shevchenko money, United did that with the Beckham money, Barca did it with the Dinho/Deco money. If Chelsea had offered $1 for Sheva, Galliani would have told Kenyon to fuck off. But in the end, there was a certain amount of money Milan were willing to take in return for Sheva. No Chelsea players went to Milan – it was no player for player switch. It was Sheva for cash. Don’t tell me Milan doesn’t transfer players for the money.
Look, I’m all about loyalty too. But I don’t delude myself. Milan is run by an Italian billionaire – a demographic not entirely well known for clean business practices. And remember, the club is a for profit business, so the ownership is just as concerned with results as he is with the bottom line.
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Milan latest probable formation from sport mediaset.
Milan (4-3-2-1): Abbiati; Zambrotta, Maldini, Kaladze, Jankulovski; Ambrosini, Pirlo, Seedorf; Kakà, Ronaldinho; Pato.
Latest update:
Seedorf recovered from his injury, so did Pirlo & Ambro. Kaka missed the training on Friday and trained in the gym, though its most likely he will recover. As for Juve: Sissoko has the flu, but might play.
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why doesnt Sheva have an EU passport. he lived 7 years in Italy! the Prime Minister is the Godfather of his son! cant he help him push a few papers here and there.
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lol fet…you would think that he would.
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shingi, with all due respect, where did we ‘reinvest’ the money from the shevchenko transfer?
what were our major signings that summer? oliveira for 10m+vogel… im still wondering what happened to the rest of that 60m dollars from shevchenko’s sale.
and the only reason we sold shevchenko to chelsea was because he said he wanted to leave. if they had given us a blank check before shevchenko’s treacherous declaration, we still wouldve told them to fuck off. but there is no use keeping a player against his will at a club, and thats why we sold sheva, his will; not for the money. yeah we got a lot of money, but the management would’ve preferred shevchenko over 60m in cash… that is what i am saying. berlusconi said this past summer, i would say no to even a blank check for kaka’. aka, give me all the money in the world, and i will still say no. that is milans philosophy. its one with high principles. and its highly respectable in today’s world of greed and no moral values.
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